Im amazed at the ignorance and stupidity of America
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What?? the economy was in a recession with clintons last term.. where you there for that? bush for the first 6 yrs seemed to plug away just fine, as a matter of fact our economy was majorly inflated with him as pres.. only the last 2 yrs sucked with him, his approval rated has dropped like flys.. odd how all this seemed to happened right as soon as the dems to the house 2 yrs ago. now bush gets blamed for everything they dont approve ... I dont believe with a lot of his policies as i think hes over stayed his welcome, but your so wrong about the economy, i too being a multistate business owner know that the economy was strongest with bush... of course california sucks right now and my co there folded up last sept. '07, its being over ran with illegals, they'll kill everything in time.. bog down the system til it folds, close ER's..
You need to take a look at the front page of Acorns website http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12341
(you know the organization he was a community organizer for) and then revise your statement.
Affordable Housing
ACORN is working to make affordable housing available so people in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods can be homeowners. ACORN members demand more rehabilitation programs aimed at developing affordable housing and increased production of affordable housing.
Better Schools
All children deserve a quality education. The better their education is the more likely they will be able to enjoy a great quality of life. Parents' hard earned tax dollars are used to finance the public school system so their offspring should reap the benefits. ACORN members have been working to implement a platform to improve the quality of public schools.
Fair Housing
ACORN Fair Housing is a federally funded program through the Office of Housing and Urban Development’s(HUD) Fair Housing Initiatives Program ( FHIP) grant. It is our mission to prevent and eliminate discriminatory housing practices. ACORN Fair Housing Organization works to ensure equal housing opportunity by providing a variety of services through outreach, education and enforcement.
ACORN Fair Housing, while an independent organization , has it’s beginnings as part of ACORN, a 38 year old community activist organization.
Fair Tax Fees
For the last two years ACORN members have been waging a campaign against Refund Anticipation Loans (RALs). RALs are short-term loans with triple-digit interest rates that are marketed extremely aggressively to low-income families. Customers are often charged over $150, on top of the regular tax prep fees, just get to their own tax dollars back a week or so faster than they otherwise would.
ACORN’s campaign has attacked RALs in several ways, such as directly targeting tax preparers to change their practices, conducting door-to-door outreach to warn families about the high costs of RALs, operating VITA sites which offer free tax preparation, and working for legislation on the city, state, and federal level to protect consumers.
Foreclosures
Predatory lending has ignited a wildfire of foreclosures across the United States.
Foreclosures don’t just hurt individuals and families, they hurt entire neighborhoods and communities, leaving homes abandoned and vulnerable to vagrancy and crime.
No other organization has fought harder to increase access to credit for low-income and minority families than ACORN, but predatory lending is threatening to reverse the progress we have made. Beginning in the 1980s, ACORN fought against redlining and discrimination and for greater community investment. ACORN Housing was founded to provide free education and counseling to help low-income people become homeowners.
Gulf Coast Recovery
Hurricane Katrina's winds had hardly subsided before ACORN began organizing New Orleaneans to rebuild their beloved city on their own terms. Today, ACORN's national headquarters in New Orleans houses more staffers than ever and ACORN members are fighting to ensure the city's recovery. Though thousands of Katrina survivors are still displaced, the last year has seen a series of significant wins for ACORN in New Orleans and the struggle continues to fully resurrect the Crescent City.
Health Care
Some 45 million people across the U.S. have no health insurance, with many more lacking adequate coverage. ACORN members are working to achieve affordable health care for all. Work is currently underway to get more hospitals to institute “charity care," or free care, programs and discounts. These policies can eliminate or reduce, hospital bills for families with low-and-moderate incomes. They often suffer from being uninsured or underinsured.
Immigration
The signs displayed in last year’s immigration marches said it so powerfully: We are America.
Immigrants care about their communities, their families and the future of the United States. They hope to achieve the American Dream. Because of their strong desire to become Americans, immigrants in 2006 joined rallies, marches and vigils all across the United States.
Living Wage
ACORN’s 2006 election campaign, "Raise the Minimum Wage," represented unprecedented victory for working families.
May 24, 2007, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 348-73 to approve a measure raising the federal minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 over the next three years. The Senate approved the increase, giving low-wage workers their first boost in a decade.
Paid Sick Days
Most people believe that U.S. workers have the right to paid sick days, yet according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, almost half of full-time, private-sector workers have no sick days at all. Government data also shows a national trend toward a reduction in paid sick days.
Workers need about seven sick days each year to manage their own health care. But for almost half of U.S. employees, the absence of sick pay is likely to cause them loss of income, a job or advancement, says the National Partnership for Women & Families.
Predatory Lending
Predatory lenders target low-income and minority homebuyers, capitalizing on buyers’ lack of understanding of the complicated transactions or use outright deception to close loans that inevitably lead to a loss of equity or foreclosure.
ACORN strives to end abuses by actively putting pressure on predatory lending offenders and advocating for legislation, regulation, education and research to end abusive lending practices.
Utilities
ACORN won reforms of utilities service practices nationwide in 2006, which helped low-income customers pay their bills and avoid service disruptions.
ACORN is working to impose moratoriums on shutoffs, so that families are not left without heat in winter nor refrigeration in summer. We are negotiating programs to create lower rates and delay payments for low-income families.
ACORN opposes deregulation efforts and works to lessen the impact on consumers when deregulation occurs.
Voter Engagement
Registering to vote is one of the first steps toward becoming a full participant in American democracy and a citizen who can influence change in a community. ACORN members and workers go door to door in low- and moderate income neighborhoods, approach people at shopping centers, grocery stores, and libraries, and visit high schools to talk to voting-age seniors because ACORN wants as many people as possible to participate in the democratic process.
ACORN has helped more than 1.68 million citizens to register to vote in past registration drives leading up to the 2004 and 2006 elections. For the 2008 election, ACORN intends to help 1.2 million people register to vote in 26 states across the country. We have already reached 177,000 registrations in 2007 and 2008 in what will be the largest, non-partisan voter registration effort in U.S. history.
credible sources? you think he's making this up? you probably believe we also sent planes into the towers right?
I won't go off on a tangent or rant but will state just a few facts where people including hussain have been on record. His 'pastor' calls the US... the U.S.KKK of A... he's went on and on and spread pure hatredshame on my country, hussain attended there at that 'Christian' church for 20yrs, hussain also stated his 'muslim' faith.. oops.. im sure he meant 'christian faith' right? after 143 days in the senate william ayers (who was pardoned from prison by clinton) had a little 'get together' for hussain to welcome and encourage his run for the white house. ayers was in part leader of terrorists 'weather underground' who bombed the pentagon. 68 million of hussains money for his spot on t.v. came from overseas, he was endorsed by castro, chavez, al qaeda, to name a few.. he was on record when he stated $4.00 a gal for gas was reasonable and we should be paying that always, it just went up to fast he said. his socialized medicine will DESTROY us, talk to someone in canada or uk about elderly literally dying because they can't be seen and are treated like cattle.. less then 250k is for 'any' independent tax return, meaning if you have a business its not what 'you' make its what the business makes if you file jointly as a single member or sole proprietor 'like most small business' do'..
I said I wouldn't rant so I wont as I cant stand typing this nonsense anymore.. yeah you're right, lets give the terrorist a chance... talk about conspiracy theories, boy do i have a woosy for this sucker..............
now put down your crack pipe and come back to reality..
I know this much, AR-15 rifles and guns in general are selling like hot cakes! We went to sportsmans wherhouse tonight, my buddy wanted this AR-15 he had his eyes on, well the pickins there were lookin kinda thin! Lots of ammo gone. And oddly regular joe's (by that I mean guys in business suits ) in there looking at large caliber hunting rifles an scopes, guys that don't look like they've hunted a day in there life! People are seriously worried, and have the right to be, myself included, I'll try to humor myself and hold my breath, I'll give him benifit of the doubt, pray to god he does this right and pulls our countys ass out of the deep sh!t that its in, We'll know soon enough.
Overall our government has lost it. When i say government, its not an "It", it's people. people working as a whole, and what little good that has been done latly has been completly overshadowed by the bad. Is sad, I among others have almost or no faith in our own countrys ability to run it self on a political/economical/global stand point. We need our roots back, the moral soil we stand on. Gonna be tough, very tough.
Overall our government has lost it. When i say government, its not an "It", it's people. people working as a whole, and what little good that has been done latly has been completly overshadowed by the bad. Is sad, I among others have almost or no faith in our own countrys ability to run it self on a political/economical/global stand point. We need our roots back, the moral soil we stand on. Gonna be tough, very tough.
No, I don't think he's making this up. I just asked a question hoping for a professional, response. And no, I don't think we sent the planes into the towers, that's idiotic.
And I've never picked up a crackpipe in my life.
I apologize, I was just as stunned with the results as any of you.... I'm hopeful for this country, maybe too hopeful at the moment.
I don't know which country you were in but the only "recession" we were in with him was in the military aspect of things...he was dumping a lot of good equipment in the ocean and closing down posts all over the country right after the billions of dollars were spent to upgrade them.....i am not one to say that Clinton was the best thing since sliced bread but there was no recession ...people were just not buying outside of their means......
and on the topic of Bush, his approval rating dropped becuase he finally had to publicly state he didn't have a lot of the information he said he had when he invaded Iraq....not saying that there wasn't WMD's there before...I'm just saying that he lied to the country with the help of alllll of his regulatory agencies...
and on the topic of the economy....EVERY wartime period starts off with an economical boom..it's the evil military industrial complex that has gripped the republican party for decades....they are about to change in the coming years so we'll see if this idea finally leaves them....
one tidbit, can't remember who posted it but he did NOT get sworn in to the Senate using a Quran, he did so with a Bible and his hand on it. Doesn't mean I don't trust him though.
As best as I've been able to find, it is true that he does not salute the flag but does at elast stand for the National Athem. I doubt he'll be changing the anthem or the pledge of allegiance and will not dissolve them. That would HOPEFULLY cause a riot if he did and he doesn't want that.
He's a snake yall. I really don't think he'll be "in your face" about pushing an evil agenda. He IS an intelligent person and will go about sneakily so that most won't even see what's happening.
For example.... I continue to here that his success came from voter's concern with the economy and them feeling like he would improve it. Well, that blows my mind because a social economy like the one he has proposed that will "spread the wealth" is obsurd and most anyone in their right mind would object to it if they what that meant. Some of the recent threads sort of making jokes about it actually do explaining it in very simplistic way (one that comes to mind is the tip for the waiter going to the homeless guy outside). That really is, in a sense, what his plan is and yet people either ignored that notion and just think somehow he's going to fix the economy with that or are too ignorant to understand it or the liberal media concealed/disguised it enough that people trusted it would work.
My only explaination for someone to vote for him AND know what his economic plan really is, is either ignorance or desperation. I'll hope we, as a nation, aren't that ignorant that we would turn our face to the reality of the proposed plan and somehow think it'll work anyways but rather or just worried and feel desporate and were too affraid to elect a president within the same political party as the current president because the media has made it look like it is solely his fault for the trouble we are in.
And besides his screw-ball socialistic economic plan, he simple isn't qualified in my mind. Lets think about this... We, as a nation, came to the conclusion that he (Obama) is better suited for president than McCain in spite having ZERO foreign affair experience, ZERO Commander and Chief knowledge or experience, less than 180 days of Federal Gov't experience and no other politically elected position experience. How were we soooo blind-sighted about electing this guy? Goes to show you what people will do when they are desperate and scared! It's almost like they lose reasoning ability and almost do the opposite of what should be done. Kind of like going into hypothermea or something. It's crazy and those aren't even the scariest of reasons to be against him. I won't even start on the list of his associations with corrupt and evil people all across the globe. Absolutely beside myself on this one. Just amazing how many people seen it so much differently than I did.
And whomever said it, I agree completely, GREED (dishonesty comes with it) and MONEY are the roots of evil and likely may bring this country to it's knees!
Again, I simply pray to God because that's all we can do at the moment. Sit back and wait to see what becomes of this.
C-ya
As best as I've been able to find, it is true that he does not salute the flag but does at elast stand for the National Athem. I doubt he'll be changing the anthem or the pledge of allegiance and will not dissolve them. That would HOPEFULLY cause a riot if he did and he doesn't want that.
He's a snake yall. I really don't think he'll be "in your face" about pushing an evil agenda. He IS an intelligent person and will go about sneakily so that most won't even see what's happening.
For example.... I continue to here that his success came from voter's concern with the economy and them feeling like he would improve it. Well, that blows my mind because a social economy like the one he has proposed that will "spread the wealth" is obsurd and most anyone in their right mind would object to it if they what that meant. Some of the recent threads sort of making jokes about it actually do explaining it in very simplistic way (one that comes to mind is the tip for the waiter going to the homeless guy outside). That really is, in a sense, what his plan is and yet people either ignored that notion and just think somehow he's going to fix the economy with that or are too ignorant to understand it or the liberal media concealed/disguised it enough that people trusted it would work.
My only explaination for someone to vote for him AND know what his economic plan really is, is either ignorance or desperation. I'll hope we, as a nation, aren't that ignorant that we would turn our face to the reality of the proposed plan and somehow think it'll work anyways but rather or just worried and feel desporate and were too affraid to elect a president within the same political party as the current president because the media has made it look like it is solely his fault for the trouble we are in.
And besides his screw-ball socialistic economic plan, he simple isn't qualified in my mind. Lets think about this... We, as a nation, came to the conclusion that he (Obama) is better suited for president than McCain in spite having ZERO foreign affair experience, ZERO Commander and Chief knowledge or experience, less than 180 days of Federal Gov't experience and no other politically elected position experience. How were we soooo blind-sighted about electing this guy? Goes to show you what people will do when they are desperate and scared! It's almost like they lose reasoning ability and almost do the opposite of what should be done. Kind of like going into hypothermea or something. It's crazy and those aren't even the scariest of reasons to be against him. I won't even start on the list of his associations with corrupt and evil people all across the globe. Absolutely beside myself on this one. Just amazing how many people seen it so much differently than I did.
And whomever said it, I agree completely, GREED (dishonesty comes with it) and MONEY are the roots of evil and likely may bring this country to it's knees!
Again, I simply pray to God because that's all we can do at the moment. Sit back and wait to see what becomes of this.
C-ya
one tidbit, can't remember who posted it but he did NOT get sworn in to the Senate using a Quran, he did so with a Bible and his hand on it. Doesn't mean I don't trust him though.
As best as I've been able to find, it is true that he does not salute the flag but does at elast stand for the National Athem. I doubt he'll be changing the anthem or the pledge of allegiance and will not dissolve them. That would HOPEFULLY cause a riot if he did and he doesn't want that.
He's a snake yall. I really don't think he'll be "in your face" about pushing an evil agenda. He IS an intelligent person and will go about sneakily so that most won't even see what's happening.
For example.... I continue to here that his success came from voter's concern with the economy and them feeling like he would improve it. Well, that blows my mind because a social economy like the one he has proposed that will "spread the wealth" is obsurd and most anyone in their right mind would object to it if they what that meant. Some of the recent threads sort of making jokes about it actually do explaining it in very simplistic way (one that comes to mind is the tip for the waiter going to the homeless guy outside). That really is, in a sense, what his plan is and yet people either ignored that notion and just think somehow he's going to fix the economy with that or are too ignorant to understand it or the liberal media concealed/disguised it enough that people trusted it would work.
My only explaination for someone to vote for him AND know what his economic plan really is, is either ignorance or desperation. I'll hope we, as a nation, aren't that ignorant that we would turn our face to the reality of the proposed plan and somehow think it'll work anyways but rather or just worried and feel desporate and were too affraid to elect a president within the same political party as the current president because the media has made it look like it is solely his fault for the trouble we are in.
And besides his screw-ball socialistic economic plan, he simple isn't qualified in my mind. Lets think about this... We, as a nation, came to the conclusion that he (Obama) is better suited for president than McCain in spite having ZERO foreign affair experience, ZERO Commander and Chief knowledge or experience, less than 180 days of Federal Gov't experience and no other politically elected position experience. How were we soooo blind-sighted about electing this guy? Goes to show you what people will do when they are desperate and scared! It's almost like they lose reasoning ability and almost do the opposite of what should be done. Kind of like going into hypothermea or something. It's crazy and those aren't even the scariest of reasons to be against him. I won't even start on the list of his associations with corrupt and evil people all across the globe. Absolutely beside myself on this one. Just amazing how many people seen it so much differently than I did.
And whomever said it, I agree completely, GREED (dishonesty comes with it) and MONEY are the roots of evil and likely may bring this country to it's knees!
Again, I simply pray to God because that's all we can do at the moment. Sit back and wait to see what becomes of this.
C-ya
i don't know where all this came from but He was in the Illinios state senate, he has made trips around the world talking to ambassadors and foreign public figures for years and has always had the SAME message about foreign policy and how to better our global image.....he is not out to socialize anything, in fact he wants to slow down our country's role in Globalization and keep jobs strong domestically.....he wants to give incentives to people who actually work for what they have and don't take business trips to Tahiti and get paid for it....he isn't taking money away from anyone.....in the cases of those making 250k a year or more, he is simply going to not give them any MORE money at the end of the year and ask them to pay close to what they would have been paying if Clinton was still in but accounting for inflation and such too.
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He was in my convoy comein into the Palace here in Baghdad, you have never seen a convoy this size, 10 Humvee's 4 MRAP's 18 Burbans it was rediculous, that man was terrified to even be here, he wanted nothin to do with a war zone, why would he he has never been in one. We need past service members in office who understand the importance of military power, people don't care much for us if you haven't noticed. If he pulls us out of Iraq many of us military civilian service members will die needlessly just to get out of here. This place has come so far in suck a short time form takein atleast 50 rounds a day everyday for 3 months of IDF to where we are now less than 8 attacks in 4 months. I just hope he doesn't pull out as fast as he wants, I don't want to die for him, I will die for the people of the United States but not for that ass clown death is a very obvious realisation here. But it has gotten so peaceful the people of Iraq are out playin soccer again repainting there houses kids with backpacks on goin to school. I hope he doen't throw it all away
And what exactly is his idea of a better global image??? Be friends with the likes of some of his communist, racist, marxist, muslim, terrorist aquaintences??? or maybe it's to disarm ourselves and our military (you realize he plans to cut BILLIONS of dollars from our military funding, weaponary development, intelligence, and nuclear development, right?)?
Perhaps zero was an inaccurate descriptor for his foreign affairs knowledge/experience. You are right, he has been to some places where he spoke with terrorists and communists and believers of marxism in a friendly manner. So yep, he has some foreign affair experience alright.
I haven't dug deep enough to find the good foreign travel he may or may not have done so I have no argument there. Perhaps has some foreign affairs experience.For the record, I am NOT in favor of the "bailout" that helped fund companies that then spent the money to go on those glorified business vacations... I mean trips.
That entire idea is just wrong.That is another problem here and has nothing to do with the current pres. So little accountability for yourself and we, as a nation in general, are waaaaay too spoiled. We have too lenient of laws for crime and we think we should be able to get what we want, when we want it. And to top it off, we are also lazy. It's no wonder we have so many illegals here. The money they make is good money to them and worht the sweat off their back for the labor they provide. Too many citizens feel too good to work for the wages that are fitting to the job. For example, a freakin burger flipper doesn't need to be making $10 or $12 an hour. We, as a whole, are also too damn lazy to do the labor intensive jobs, at least for the wage they want to be paid to do so. So of course the companies are going to either hire some that will do it here (not enough) or be forced to go to other countries to have their factories because it's just too expensive to do all that's necessary here. Wages, environmental regulations, employee regulations, taxes, insurance, etc. I have no idea how to fix this problem.
you can't pay more for the jobs and I don't like so many freakin foreigners being here to do them and I don't like seeing the factories go to other countries either. And yes, he himself even states that his economic plan is a "redistribution of wealth." Those aren't the conservatives or republicans making that up about his economic plan. He said those words himself. So how is it NOT what he says it is like you say juddski??? redistribution of wealth, simply put, is taking from the wealthy and giving to the less fortunate (<-- attempting to be p.c. even though I have better, more fitting descriptors for those folks.
) is it not??? What else can that phrase mean??? Furthermore, how can one even say that notion is morally right - to punish someone because they made more money and then reward someone because they didn't whether they deserved the help or not?I am fairly radical in my ideas about welfare in general. I'm more of the "strongest survive" mind set. I don't think we, tax payers, should be made to foot the bill of someone else whether they deserve it or not. Call me cold or whatever but that's how I feel. Now, if it were a voluntary thing, sure because I absolutely understand that there are those out there that fall on hard times for whatever reason and legitimately need some help until they can get on their feet again and I wouldn't have the least bit of trouble helping that person through a volunteer based organization (and there are BUNCHES of them) so long as me and my family were taken care of first. But to see my money go to program that helps scumbags remain scumbags and moochers, is a swift kick in the nuts IMO. There isn't a good way for the gov't to regulate who actually deserves the help and who is simply mooching because it would simply cost too much to do that much investigating and analyzing of each case to determine that or not. Now, a well organized, private, volunteer-based group could do it. Sure, the amount of money/help they could offer people would be considerably less because not as much would be given to them as is given to the current gov't welfare programs and that would mean the private group would hopefully be much more selective in who got what and how much they got. So yep, those that actually need it would hopefully get it and those that don't would be turned away and be forced to EARN something.
Ok, I've written way more than I would have liked but it's healthy conversation. I hope there's no hostility felt, just voicing my opinion and views on the matter. :hug:
C-ya
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I know this is starting get a little heated here but just remember I see any personal attacks in this thread and I'll lock it down tight, possible even delete it.
So everyone keep a cool head and discuss this civilly and this thread will remain open.
I know this is starting get a little heated here but just remember I see any personal attacks in this thread and I'll lock it down tight, possible even delete it.
So everyone keep a cool head and discuss this civilly and this thread will remain open.
I know I may be jumping in late and admit I haven't read the entire thread, but. I live a few miles outside of Baltimore, MD and I don't feel safe walking around parts of that area. I'm glad you haven't had many attacks in the last few months. Several people are killed a few miles from my house every day. I think we need to put time and money into our own neighborhoods before we continure to fix the ones oversea's.
He is a socialist...plain and simple.. once you go down that road it is near impossible to turn back... has any of the "new deal" been able to be taken away? welfare? social (in)security?
Lets not forget the 2nd amendment of the constitution
or that he wants that civilian security force (brown shirts ring a bell?)
I voted against the B HO not for McCain...
this was in no means a racial vote...it was a vote of principals... call me a racist if it makes you libtards feel good about yourselves...:hug:
But I have voted for Alan Keyes to be my POTUS before... If he were on the repub(or another "Viable" party's ticket, I would have voted for him again...
Lets not forget the 2nd amendment of the constitution
or that he wants that civilian security force (brown shirts ring a bell?)
I voted against the B HO not for McCain...
this was in no means a racial vote...it was a vote of principals... call me a racist if it makes you libtards feel good about yourselves...:hug:
But I have voted for Alan Keyes to be my POTUS before... If he were on the repub(or another "Viable" party's ticket, I would have voted for him again...
Give him a chance huh???????? Not me!
Remember what Ronald Reagan said 20+ years ago..........
"No generation in the history of Earth has ever tasted freedom, lost it, and then tasted it again."
Remember what Ronald Reagan said 20+ years ago..........
"No generation in the history of Earth has ever tasted freedom, lost it, and then tasted it again."
IMO,what caused this election is what we call racism..there was a man(very respectable black man from Kenya Africa)that once said if you vote basing it on skin color you have become racist doesn't matter what color you are and i'm afraid that alot of that happened in this election but yet i was called racist because i wouldn't vote for Obama..i'll support AMERICA but not sure i can support its president.
the sad thing is alot of people would die if he(Obama)would be assasinated,can you imagain the riots.there was a black man beaten perty badly in Cincinnatia OH a few yrs ago by a white Officer and the riots it caused was crazy so i can't imagain what would happen if he would be assinated.
the sad thing is alot of people would die if he(Obama)would be assasinated,can you imagain the riots.there was a black man beaten perty badly in Cincinnatia OH a few yrs ago by a white Officer and the riots it caused was crazy so i can't imagain what would happen if he would be assinated.
And what exactly is his idea of a better global image??? Be friends with the likes of some of his communist, racist, marxist, muslim, terrorist aquaintences??? or maybe it's to disarm ourselves and our military (you realize he plans to cut BILLIONS of dollars from our military funding, weaponary development, intelligence, and nuclear development, right?)?
Perhaps zero was an inaccurate descriptor for his foreign affairs knowledge/experience. You are right, he has been to some places where he spoke with terrorists and communists and believers of marxism in a friendly manner. So yep, he has some foreign affair experience alright.
For the record, I am NOT in favor of the "bailout" that helped fund companies that then spent the money to go on those glorified business vacations... I mean trips.
That is another problem here and has nothing to do with the current pres. So little accountability for yourself and we, as a nation in general, are waaaaay too spoiled. We have too lenient of laws for crime and we think we should be able to get what we want, when we want it. And to top it off, we are also lazy. It's no wonder we have so many illegals here. The money they make is good money to them and worht the sweat off their back for the labor they provide. Too many citizens feel too good to work for the wages that are fitting to the job. For example, a freakin burger flipper doesn't need to be making $10 or $12 an hour. We, as a whole, are also too damn lazy to do the labor intensive jobs, at least for the wage they want to be paid to do so. So of course the companies are going to either hire some that will do it here (not enough) or be forced to go to other countries to have their factories because it's just too expensive to do all that's necessary here. Wages, environmental regulations, employee regulations, taxes, insurance, etc. I have no idea how to fix this problem.
And yes, he himself even states that his economic plan is a "redistribution of wealth." Those aren't the conservatives or republicans making that up about his economic plan. He said those words himself. So how is it NOT what he says it is like you say juddski??? redistribution of wealth, simply put, is taking from the wealthy and giving to the less fortunate (<-- attempting to be p.c. even though I have better, more fitting descriptors for those folks.
I am fairly radical in my ideas about welfare in general. I'm more of the "strongest survive" mind set. I don't think we, tax payers, should be made to foot the bill of someone else whether they deserve it or not. Call me cold or whatever but that's how I feel. Now, if it were a voluntary thing, sure because I absolutely understand that there are those out there that fall on hard times for whatever reason and legitimately need some help until they can get on their feet again and I wouldn't have the least bit of trouble helping that person through a volunteer based organization (and there are BUNCHES of them) so long as me and my family were taken care of first. But to see my money go to program that helps scumbags remain scumbags and moochers, is a swift kick in the nuts IMO. There isn't a good way for the gov't to regulate who actually deserves the help and who is simply mooching because it would simply cost too much to do that much investigating and analyzing of each case to determine that or not. Now, a well organized, private, volunteer-based group could do it. Sure, the amount of money/help they could offer people would be considerably less because not as much would be given to them as is given to the current gov't welfare programs and that would mean the private group would hopefully be much more selective in who got what and how much they got. So yep, those that actually need it would hopefully get it and those that don't would be turned away and be forced to EARN something.
Ok, I've written way more than I would have liked but it's healthy conversation. I hope there's no hostility felt, just voicing my opinion and views on the matter. :hug:
C-ya
No hostility felt here::hello:
but i started all this political talk because i truly feel like the majority of members here and on DP, the two places i spend 99% of my free time, are not looking at all the facts with an open mind.....I will admit, i was extremely closed-minded and far-right just a couple years back because i had no idea how to put myself in someone else's shoes, someone who is less fortunate than I, someone who i may have even had prejudice against previously....then i started college and my ability to look at things from a sociological and multicultural viewpoint became much sharper and I realized that what i valued before was just a spitting image of what i was force fed my whole life by my parents and my school..
Then i joined the Army National Guard as a MP with intentions of paying for my school so my parents didn't feel any burden on my behalf, and because i made a promise to my father, retired Army SFC and acting 1SGT of 23 years and 2 bronze stars in Iraq in 2003, that I would become an officer before i deployed because he didn't wanna see me following his footsteps and just being enlisted. I have learned a lot about leadership and still have much to learn, but when i look at Obama's record, and read his book, read what other analysts and objective columnists have written about him..then watch his eyes as he talks about how much he truly wants to see this country thriving again, as a united people.....i can trust him. I trust him because he owes nothing to anyone....he has no debts to repay any corporations....not like Bush who appointed the most retarded people to offices that took intelligent people to run.....(on a side note: I also think that a lot of people overlooked the support that Colin Powell gave to Obama and I would do just about anything to have that man back in the Cabinet in some form). and i can trust him because he was lucky to have beaten Hillary, and he knows that...he for the longest time had no chance against her but then she started being a politician again and tried to put her party first and she lost it....whereas Obama could care less about partisanship.....he votes on his beliefs and only on his beliefs and that takes a man of very strong character. I thought McCain was similar in character and then i went back and found that he was caught up in quite the scandal that his party members covered up well so he could make the run for Office.....http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-rennie0914.artsep14,0,904005.column
also, smokeshow, you said above that you do not support giving corporations fatter pockets, but then you said you don't support "redistribution" of wealth....and in this case, Obama is not going to suddenly give poor people money because he also stated that he knows that poorer people usually don't know what to do with it...that's why he is establishing the programs to educate the less fortunate so that they can be ready to use the money when they start making it...its like thinking about the economy in terms of real GDP vs. nominal GDP...you can't just look at one year's apparent decrease because it may have just been extreme inflation or a natural disaster or something else.....it must be compared to a benchmark in order to take the gradual inflation and natural interest rate of money into account...
if I said that about fattening of big corporations I either made a typing mistake or have been misunderstood. Everyone has the right to make all they can so long as it's not illegal. I am not for punishing or taxing heavier simply because you made more than the burger flipper.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.