From what I heard, the correction factor at ATS was somewhere around 23%. That puts your actual power to the wheels at less than 700 HP. With the turbo and all the nitrous you were spraying, I doubt there would have been that much difference at a sea level dyno with optimal conditions. Besides that, no one really cares about dyno numbers except the people you are selling parts to. Take it to the track and run under 11.50 if you want anyone to believe what you're selling. With the kind of power you're claiming, that should be no problem.
H&S Trying to Blow Up The Ford
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing
In case you dont want to read all of it
"Marketing" may replace "Advertising" it is the overall strategy and function of promoting a product or service to the customer.
Anything else I can find for you? :bunny:
You sound like a intelligent guy, I am sure you can figure out the marketing stand point, other wise you wouldn't be here typing about it.
Was it an impressive video? I thought so, personally I thought you guys should have been a little more prepared with getting the nitrous jets ready to put on the truck, but all in all pretty fun to watch.
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I do know what marketing is, no doubt. But I was referencing JOSHH's quote of "It isn't lying; it's marketing..." reference. Hence my "marketing" being in quotations.
The Breaking Point video was intended to be a candid event. It was all organized in a matter of days as a spur of the moment idea. Had we known the truck would hold together past 700-750HP, we would have had things a little more prepared on the nitrous end of things. We exceeded the flow capacities of the 2 nitrous solenoids we had on the truck. So rewiring and plumbing of solenoids was necessary, as well as reworking the tune on the truck to provide more fuel and injection timing.
you guys did very well not cussing on camera which I thought was impressive, perhaps next time you can have some "entertainment", a sideshow perhaps while we wait
Yes, while I agree the correction factor was around 23%, those values applied to a well known stock truck dyno would not make sense. I agree the readings could have been slightly high, but applying that same 23% math to a stock truck with just a tune and exhaust would put it easily sub 400 mark (it made 460-470 corrected at ATS). That same truck has been proven to make over 440-500HP on many reputable dynos across the country.
At the end of the day, I know as well as anyone else that a dyno reading is merely a representation of a gain or loss. Nothing of real value can be derived from it. What I can say is that I know exactly what the truck makes in stock form same day same dyno. For this reason I will argue that I know what kind of power the truck is gaining, regardless of what others are assuming.
you guys did very well not cussing on camera which I thought was impressive, perhaps next time you can have some "entertainment", a sideshow perhaps while we wait
Oh we have some great plans for the next Breaking Point event. I think there will be many of you guys tuning in for it. It will be organized much better and we hope to actually get some engine oil spread out on the dyno floor by the end of it.
I 100% believe the duration and hp claims... I know my LML made 504 uncorrected with under 1900uS... Know what happens when u go 1000uS more on time on the LMM injectors? Nearly 230 more Hp... The peizo injectors are no joke!
Once H&S adds timing to that tune I think it will hit 1000. Ryan Milliken and I brought in over 200hp on a build from timing alone with MCC on a 2011 cummins a couple weeks ago.
The LML uses the same injection system as the 6.7... So expect cool things. Keep up the great work H&S.
-Kory
Once H&S adds timing to that tune I think it will hit 1000. Ryan Milliken and I brought in over 200hp on a build from timing alone with MCC on a 2011 cummins a couple weeks ago.
The LML uses the same injection system as the 6.7... So expect cool things. Keep up the great work H&S.
-Kory
Did they ever have a tuner that broke the 500 on a Duramax? :baby:
I can care less what they are actually doing with the 6.7 cause with the dpf in tact its not going any where.
But I do see LMLTuners point. All there doing is trying to push the stock parts to there limits to see how far they can go. The dyno is the only way to get a rough idea.
that being said, I still think the 800hp 6.7 ford is a joke.
show me it running a low 11 second 1/4 mile and then Ill congratulate you guys.
show me it running a low 11 second 1/4 mile and then Ill congratulate you guys.
Think about it... My truck 1900uS dropping to 27.5k rail when commanded was 30k... I also had a limiter coming in around 3100rpms at the time... It made 504.... That's with this sissy charger and no snot and a sissy cp4.2. The H&S crew are rocking the pumps to turn these injectors up! I could have hit it with roughly a 100shot and I know made more (obviously)... So with the stronger charger, more pump... And a whole 1000uS uS out of the piezos AAANDDDD a bunch of snot... Heck I think easily attainable! I see no issue with that truck busting a 11. Would be cool as they come to do it in the large truck too! Ben, come on down and take a ride in about a week...
Bentley you Rubbed there egos the wrong way.:roflmao:
To bad those numbers couldn't of been backed up with some sled pulls or drag passes. I will bet that your connecting rods are shot, they truck may run, but bent and ready to brake. When is part two?
To bad those numbers couldn't of been backed up with some sled pulls or drag passes. I will bet that your connecting rods are shot, they truck may run, but bent and ready to brake. When is part two?
I guess if H&S can get Bruce Stafford's LML to run over 900HP, it will that help sooth the hurt that Ford is gives some off us Duramax guy.
Why would the dpf be there i know how to.get around it with the street tuners..... and yes there lmm and lml hit 500+
Also ben the truck is on 40" tires no track will let it race it's to tall
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Good read so far and informative, I have to agree with some on here, dyno's are great tools for running in numbers and getting things dialed in, I have not had mine on a dyno, and like Kory has stated the LML is capable of 500 easily. The one gentleman that supposedly put a 12.8 down with his lml was spraying W/M, Little lighter and running 420's on 17's. I pull at 7600#@99.68 13.5 on fuel alone on 18" street radials(stockers). Not trying to be argumentative, just here to learn from a few of the best. I'd love to see nothing more than Clint put it down the track, but that thing is a monster in height and weight and still a commendable performance on the rollers.
In the interim while Kory and Bentley try to get the LML format up to par I'll just keep plugging away at old school tricks to get power down to the wheels
In the interim while Kory and Bentley try to get the LML format up to par I'll just keep plugging away at old school tricks to get power down to the wheels