Dude in the vette should never race again! Van would have won with a 4.3 with that guy driving the vette. I bought a 8.1 as a back up to my Dmax. If the Dmax breaks at the wrong time of year I cannt be down or afford to fix it.
Goodbye dmax world
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Speed does cost. I agree with that fully. But now that I've wised up a bit (my dmax is my first fast vehicle) I have realized that if you are smart and do a lot of research, you can start on a platform that is strong and can get you going faster than most other platforms.
I'm all about a motor that can take a truck into the 10's while being stock and not breaking. That is awesome.
I really miss these days. I went through this whole car and still had less than 8k in it. Made a whopping 265 rwhp:roflmao: but it got me in the 12's driving 100 miles a day to work and back no a/c 21mpg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNYSpYoCYI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I too knew the cost of duramax perf. Coming into the game. Just wish I could have spent my first big chunk of cash on a tranny instead of a charger. Got too addicted to the pulse width I recon. That stgIV sun coast keeps getting farther outta reach. Just got engaged. Getting married in Aug. Got honeymoon. Next thing you know there'll be a minime. Holy shit where's that bottle at?
Thats not bad. Everyone out this way wants 2500 -3k just for machine work and assembly no hard parts. I walked in to Borowskie's race shop in Rockdale IL couple of door from my office they want 4 to 5gs for basic head work.
Thats not bad. Everyone out this way wants 2500 -3k just for machine work and assembly no hard parts. I walked in to Borowskie's race shop in Rockdale IL couple of door from my office they want 4 to 5gs for basic head work.
Somethin aint right then. Guy was the most expensive of everyone i talked to but was still less than what you were quoted. He worked with me on what i really needed and didnt need to help with price. I wanted to go with him as i didnt know what i should look for in a shop. I know hes been around the block hundreds of times on these motors
. I assembled the block myself as well to keep price down. Its not hard, its like assembling any other gasser with a few minor differences that are clear to see lolWhat really did me in on going further with my truck is two customer`s trucks I`m re building right now. One is a procharged duramax that will be on its 4th motor now (yes i know its a bad idea but its what the customer wants) and second is the truck that is featured in diesel power aug. 2012 (black lmm) customer spent huge dollars down in the states for "the best bulit truck" he got it back after 11 months of work and it was running like ass the day he picked it up, ended up washing down the cylinders, hurt the heads bad, wrecked a cam ect ect ect. From the bills I have seen and what he spent on it across the border it had all the best parts put in it and its still a cluster **** of a motor thats has been far from reliable since day 1 with it. Some of these guys are spending $100,000 plus by the time the rebuilds happen, and even after that they still aren`t that reliable at the end of the day.
I still enjoy the work since its what I do for a living, but I`ve gotta draw the line on my own truck since there isnt enough time in the day too work on my own truck without staying up from friday to sunday to do anything serious. I think i was spoiled with drag racing at a early age and I`ve worked on everything from a jr.dragster to Nitro funny cars and top fuel dragsters, so for me anyway the satisfaction for the racing side of the diesel game just isnt there. Just my own opinion though :beer
I still enjoy the work since its what I do for a living, but I`ve gotta draw the line on my own truck since there isnt enough time in the day too work on my own truck without staying up from friday to sunday to do anything serious. I think i was spoiled with drag racing at a early age and I`ve worked on everything from a jr.dragster to Nitro funny cars and top fuel dragsters, so for me anyway the satisfaction for the racing side of the diesel game just isnt there. Just my own opinion though :beer
Somethin aint right then. Guy was the most expensive of everyone i talked to but was still less than what you were quoted. He worked with me on what i really needed and didnt need to help with price. I wanted to go with him as i didnt know what i should look for in a shop. I know hes been around the block hundreds of times on these motors
I wont be working with them that's for sure. I walked in to there office with an open mind but it snapped shut when I asked if they built a hot rod Duramax motor before and the response was no. Then I got to taking to him about head work because they have a slick new countered cylinder head machine. Due to the rates ya no dice.
I can do the assembly but my problem is time. I'm fairly certain I know where I will be taking my businesses since I'm moving to Nevada.
My buddy has a 05 rx/sb 4wd sierra that had a 4.8 in it... put a S480 on it ran, 13.50 @ 113.... blew up that junkyard 4.8 bought stock 6.0 LQ4 in it. Same trubo he just ran 11.58 @ 119 tonight... He has 6k into the truck, 4k of it was a built 4L80 trans...
Last Friday night was a perfect example of why I spent a ton of money on this truck...Pulled into the track got some "what the Hell is that truck going to do" looks....Unloaded it off the trailer,went to tech, made a 10 sec pass...Just about everyone in the pits and crowd was at the tow rig when I got back to see what that truuck was.....Thats why I did it!!!!!! Everyone knows its not cheap but it sure is different than anything else you will see.
If my Duramax gets running. I was thinking on turning it in to a Dodge. Just out of past experiances with dodge.
GMC_2002_Dmax
The Still Master
While I have no dog in this fight I have been around this since the first Dmax's came out.
If you are a consumer only, never run a business, never gone through the R&D to develop new products then you really are not qualified to complain about how much stuff costs or should cost.
I run two business's, and if you buy equipment, have employees, rent or own space/pay insurance, property taxes, deal with paperwork etc then maybe your view of what things should cost will change.
I have been to SoCal Diesel, I have seen what Guy has invested in machinery alone, I don't know if any of the members here know how much he has invested in just CNC machines, he probably has almost 100% of his motors machine work completed in house.......try making machine payments on upwards of $1.5 million in equipment, try finding qualified machinists/engine assemblers for $10/hour, try opening a business in California and see how much you have to make to break even.
Then throw in deadbeats that don't pay, other companies that steal your ideas ( Super Diesel, BT Diesel Works have had their ideas copied/stolen ) the enormous costs to recoup your investment before all the scumbag/bottom feeders ruin for you.
Don't take this personal, if you can't afford to play, don't want to pay then move on, but don't complain that you can't afford an expensive habit and then expect prices to be where you want them, gasser market is 10,000 times larger then the diesel market is.
Supply and Demand works everytime......:thumb:
Good Luck with your gasser, hope it turns out to be what you want, I think you are going to miss 1000+ RWTQ, I know I could never go back to a 6000-8000 rpm gasser.
If you are a consumer only, never run a business, never gone through the R&D to develop new products then you really are not qualified to complain about how much stuff costs or should cost.
I run two business's, and if you buy equipment, have employees, rent or own space/pay insurance, property taxes, deal with paperwork etc then maybe your view of what things should cost will change.
I have been to SoCal Diesel, I have seen what Guy has invested in machinery alone, I don't know if any of the members here know how much he has invested in just CNC machines, he probably has almost 100% of his motors machine work completed in house.......try making machine payments on upwards of $1.5 million in equipment, try finding qualified machinists/engine assemblers for $10/hour, try opening a business in California and see how much you have to make to break even.
Then throw in deadbeats that don't pay, other companies that steal your ideas ( Super Diesel, BT Diesel Works have had their ideas copied/stolen ) the enormous costs to recoup your investment before all the scumbag/bottom feeders ruin for you.
Don't take this personal, if you can't afford to play, don't want to pay then move on, but don't complain that you can't afford an expensive habit and then expect prices to be where you want them, gasser market is 10,000 times larger then the diesel market is.
Supply and Demand works everytime......:thumb:
Good Luck with your gasser, hope it turns out to be what you want, I think you are going to miss 1000+ RWTQ, I know I could never go back to a 6000-8000 rpm gasser.
I think this is the perfect answer and the one I say to people all the time. Yeah I complain about the prices too, but I like being different and realize that being different costs money in the high performance diesel world. It took me 3 years to buy all my parts and have the motor built. But I bought just about everything you could think of. Was it all really necessary? Probably not looking back now but I like the peace of mind. I just won't ever calculate what I spent on the truck again lol!
Nick
You are absolutely right but the problem is supply and demand has went through the roof for diesels in the last 10 years and yet the prices keep getting higher.
Ya im happy with my truck now if it'd stay together this way ill have a 11sec dd and can still tow and just drive and u don't have to much into it so but if i do break then I'll just do a mild build rods main studs ect nothing over the top
Why goodbye? You still will need a great tow vehicle! Tone it back a notch or two and never touch it again. :thumb: Have fun with the gen III's.