Cop killed in our town.

[McRat]

The whole thing is a big mess. I think it is going to get a lot uglier too.

LAPD freaking hosed a Toyota minitruck with lead that had 2 ladies throwing newspapers in it. Wrong size vehicle, wicked amount of lead.

I used to throw papers for the LA Times too. You haul ass, driving on the wrong side of the road, weaving back and forth at 4am.

If the LAPD could not relate to what happens at 4am each morning in all neighborhoods of suburban communities all over the USA, they need more training. Nothing else looks like someone throwing papers, and it's been going on for 40 years, everyday, rain or shine, 365 days, ever since they stopped using kids on bicycles. First I threw on bicycles for the Register, then by car for the Times.

Bet? Slap on the wrist for the Torrance gunmen, and a big bill for the taxpayers. I get to help pay for somebodies stupidity who has never been awake at 4am in their whole life.

EDIT - It was LAPD who hosed the ladies down. My apologies to Torrance PD. I love the Official Comment, "It was a case of mistaken identity." Really? Little ladies look like a 6' 270lb man? Time for glasses.

 

[bartman432]

McRat, you see the back of that truck those two asian females were driving? They unloaded on it. Evidently they were driving down the street blacked out. Wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[messejme]

I wonder if the guy snapped or If the LAPD pissed off the wrong kinda guy. If he is crazy then oh well cant fix that but If he is not then he is certanly feeling like he was wronged in a very big way and it sounds like the police do not want to give him an opportunity to speak his side of the story even if some innocent people get killed in the process.

 

[nailski]

I wonder if the guy snapped or If the LAPD pissed off the wrong kinda guy. If he is crazy then oh well cant fix that but If he is not then he is certanly feeling like he was wronged in a very big way and it sounds like the police do not want to give him an opportunity to speak his side of the story even if some innocent people get killed in the process.

From looking at the pic of the little truck all shot up, it appears this guy may have some info LAPD doesn't want out.

 

[messejme]

I read most of Donner's manifesto and if true this guy is an HONEST HERO!
If any other people/officers are killed the blame should be put on the conspirators involved in the truth burrying actions. They should be tried for interfering with an official Police investigations, lying under Oath and for MURDER! I am proud of the level of integrity Donner is displaying. He is taking on a massive police force and bringing to light for the public the real type of conduct that takes place in the "TO PROTECT AND SERVE" community. Blue Blood runs just as fast as Red Blood!

 

[beanpole209]

I read the whole manifesto. Was very intelligible, and clear. Although what he is doing appears to be wrong, IDK if we have the whole story. He appears to be very very intelligent, and knowledgeable about tactics. His targets are concise, yet unrecognizable to any plan. If he were my enemy, I would be under a rock! Unless he makes a mistake, and this seems to be one of the best criminal strategies Ive read, many lives will be lost. I mean, The logic he is using is so sound I don't think they will be able to plot anything that is going to happen. Scary scary, Id hate to be an LAPD officer right now!

 

[messejme]

Beanpole,
It is not necessarily obvious which side is/are the criminal/s at this point! He may be the "Lawful" party. Judging by the shoot anyone because maybe it's Donner I am beginning to suspect that the Police may be the unlawful persons in this ordeal. Perhaps trying to cover up some big mistakes. Our Government has been taking some steps that border on tyranny lately and in my opinion are overstepping the bounds written in the constitution (cell phone tracking, listening in on virtually all phone and internet communications, patting down at airport security checkpoints and prohibiting the sale and ownership of many firearms among others things).

 

[messejme]

At least the media knows what is important.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/christopher-jordan-dorner-manifesto-tim-tebow-coach-police-shot-rex-ryan-mark-sanchez-serena-williams-gina-carano-020713

 

[beanpole209]

I Agree messejme! The whole situation, not just him is scary.

Ill tell you something that has been creepy here, I assume all of you heard about the boy taken hostage by this crazy guy down in a bunker? http://www.abc3340.com/story/20930004/pictures-video-links-midland-city-school-bus-shooting-and-hostage-standoff The FBI has been staked out down there, and now its come out that they had drones circling the bunker!?

Whats next, barbara boxer & dianne feinstein dancing a jig on the constitution?

 

[fairladyaffair]

Take it from a cops point of view, just from the comments i have read ( i havnt read the "manifesto") hes the most dangerous kind of target you can encounter as an officer, a well trained shooter with a military background with nothing to loose. Unfortunatly "crooks and psycopaths" make it through the screening process in the military (in fact there often desired) then while your in the service they train you to blend in which makes it real easy to put on a front to get into law enforcement. Low and behold now we have a psychopath that knows the ins and out of the methods and operations of law enforcement :/ and then someones pisses one of these guys off and well now you have a killing spree. Unfortunately there is no law, restriction, or preventative measure any gov can put in place to prevent mental illness and what choices that person makes once they snap.


2004 Lb7

 

[McRat]

Take it from a cops point of view, just from the comments i have read ( i havnt read the "manifesto") hes the most dangerous kind of target you can encounter as an officer, a well trained shooter with a military background with nothing to loose. Unfortunatly "crooks and psycopaths" make it through the screening process in the military (in fact there often desired) then while your in the service they train you to blend in which makes it real easy to put on a front to get into law enforcement. Low and behold now we have a psychopath that knows the ins and out of the methods and operations of law enforcement :/ and then someones pisses one of these guys off and well now you have a killing spree. Unfortunately there is no law, restriction, or preventative measure any gov can put in place to prevent mental illness and what choices that person makes once they snap.


2004 Lb7

The most dangerous thing in California this morning is not some lunatic with a grudge. It's the group of "shoot anything that moves" idiots with buck fever.

Half the parents didn't let their kids go to school yesterday. Maybe they had blue cars?

 

[messejme]

Fairladyaffair,
We dont know who the psycopath is here. A guy who wants to kill to make a dishonest system work correctly or other guys who would kill to keep secrets of their dishonesty from being exposed. Donner has shared a lot of information regarding his behavior. The police have shared virtually nothing regarding theirs. It is the police who have hurt or killed innocent people that have nothing to do with this case Donner has targeted individuals who are suspicious of wrong doing.

 

[Texas Chevy]

After reading more I was incorrect. He started in San Diego last night, coming north where there was 1 police officer shot and injured in Corona, then went East to Riverside where he shot and killed one police officer and injured another one

That explains why when I was tryig to go fisging on base in San Diego the coast guard and military police told me I had to leave. The coast guard was stopping all boats and the military police had the banks of the base lined with dogs

 

[custom8726]

Fairladyaffair,
We dont know who the psycopath is here. A guy who wants to kill to make a dishonest system work correctly or other guys who would kill to keep secrets of their dishonesty from being exposed. Donner has shared a lot of information regarding his behavior. The police have shared virtually nothing regarding theirs. It is the police who have hurt or killed innocent people that have nothing to do with this case Donner has targeted individuals who are suspicious of wrong doing.

While I agree with certain portions of your Point Of View, Shooting a dirty cops innocent children is never a acceptable form of revenge IMO.. From reading his Manifesto, knowing how Power, Money and corruption go hand and hand, I believe he PROBABLY is telling the truth. But Regardless of what transpired in the past going on a killing spree only proves he is a deeply disturbed individual that is well trained and a serious threat to anyone in the LAPD and affiliated....

 

[messejme]

Did he shoot any kids? I believe he is "pushing Buttons" just like he was taught to. He is forcing the departments to throw logic to the wind and create a situation where He is intellectually superior. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Lets just shoot first because I am pissed off oops that was just some asian ladies, my bad.

 

[Texas Chevy]

Take it from a cops point of view, just from the comments i have read ( i havnt read the "manifesto") hes the most dangerous kind of target you can encounter as an officer, a well trained shooter with a military background with nothing to loose. Unfortunatly "crooks and psycopaths" make it through the screening process in the military (in fact there often desired) then while your in the service they train you to blend in which makes it real easy to put on a front to get into law enforcement. Low and behold now we have a psychopath that knows the ins and out of the methods and operations of law enforcement :/ and then someones pisses one of these guys off and well now you have a killing spree. Unfortunately there is no law, restriction, or preventative measure any gov can put in place to prevent mental illness and what choices that person makes once they snap.


2004 Lb7

I beg to differ. Every week we sent home at least ten kids from boot camp who lied durring enlistment. The doctors down at the marine corps recruit depot have a pretty cool system that can look up any persons medical history for any thing. I know for a fact Marine Corps sends them home or at least tries really hard to find hidden facts.

 

[messejme]

Too bad you cant force those bullets back down the barrel of the gun they were shot from. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone here as I have found most of you to be of a much higher level of morality and intelligence than the general public.

 

[messejme]

Pat, I think we are conspiracy theorists now!:thumb:

 

[custom8726]

Did he shoot any kids? I believe he is "pushing Buttons" just like he was taught to. He is forcing the departments to throw logic to the wind and create a situation where He is intellectually superior. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Lets just shoot first because I am pissed off oops that was just some asian ladies, my bad.

From what I have read/gathered from the media the killing spree started with the daughter and boyfriend of the chief (IIRC) that was instrumental in the case were he lost his badge.. For the record I have little faith in what the media reports so take it for what its worth

 

[fairladyaffair]

I think my point of view was mis interpreted. But thats ok and i do agree i would be more concerned about a couple of idiots shooting up schools. But like i said i didnt read the article you all read just made a pretty general statement about law enforcement. Anyhow, i also did 4 years 8 months in the Corps and am no stranger to the rituals at Parris Island. You are correct though they do look into you pretty thoroughly and yes some do get sent home but many still squeeze through. Most of the boys in my sniper platoon were too intelligent for there own good and could be just as sick. Unfortunately that is a face war brings out in people and some deal with it in different ways. Do i condone any action of the individual killing his fellow officers, no. Am i sure he has a reason to be pissed. You bet, but being a law enforcement officer is not easy and is only understood completely by those who have lived the profession. And he def should understand better than anyone that there will always be sleaze bags out there. If i were to go on a killing spree it would be against the crooks i new got away not other cops. But again i do not know the full story, i guess now i should read into it as much as i have had to say on the topic. But one last thing. Again from a cops POV. The media never EVER gives you all of what is happening. 99% of what goes on in our nasty world you never hear about. Bet you didn't hear about the 5 month old that was left to die in a car seat, or the 2 year old that was shot twice because his daddy was a dope boy that owned money. Or how about the serial rapist 13 year old that raped his 8 year old brother and his 16 year old down syndrome stricken sister? The only topics you hear about are what the media thinks is a hot topic that will get them ratings. I know because i was in Iraq when the media made us look one way when what actually occurred was completely different. Yes there is a conspiracy, but the movies and media have made believing in them to be such a outlandish idea thus reinforcing there cover up. These things have been going on for years but with the evolution of communication its getting more and more difficult to hide all the facts. I consider all of you friends. Please allow me a chance to explain before taking something the wrong way and jumping to conclusions.


2004 Lb7