I blew the rubber fitting off a Wicks oil filter this morning. This has to do with the cold weather I see where I live and the psi at startup. It was 45 degrees yesterday and 32 degrees at night and about 38-40 degrees at startup this morning. I think I need a block heater to solve this? Just wanted to let the board know other than this cold start problem the pumps works great!
Billett Oil Pump
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Usually I see about 100psi right at startup. Within 2 minutes it's already back down to about 70-80psi. I stare at the guage during startup in the morning because I was worried about this. This morning the psi guage shot up so fast I could barely see what it hit before the low engine oil alarm sounded and I heard oil gargling. It did look to hit 120psi. This happened because it was about 8-10 degrees colder this morning and last night. There was also a wicks filter on the truck which is not factory. David@BMS said they tested the pump with GM(AC Delco)filter up to 120psi. So it could have been that wicks filters are junk. Bottom line if you live in a cold area and have this pump on your truck get a block heater.
Are you sure you had the filter tight? Did you oil the seal before installing the filter? My would will peg a 100psi gauge at start up. Always has.
I only use Wix filters and have never had a problem. Wix is far from junk.
I only use Wix filters and have never had a problem. Wix is far from junk.
I'm pretty sure John@DPS knows how to put on a oil filter. David@BMS and Curtis@DPR who made and tested these pumps used GM(AC Delco)filters at up to 120psi with no problem. Thw wicks broke at like 100-110psi. I replaced with the GM filter and at startup this monrnig I saw about 105psi for about 1 minute and no problem. So that would lead me to believe the wicks cant handle the pressure and are junk. This pumps is inmy race truck 07' EX/SB.
ok, it's in an 07.
I am assuming they beefed up the safety bypass, or don't have one at all.
In any event I don't see the usefulness of 120 psi, but that's your call.
Does your Wix have the 15 psi bypass built-in? The delco does. If you are running a filter without the bypass, or a poorly designed one, you will see the o-ring deform with cold oil at elevated rpms.
No oil filter will live through 120 psi, so you need to educate yourself on filter types. Our spec calls for a MBP, medium pressure bypass.
Also there is a redundant 15 psi bypass in the filter housing. Has that been tampered with? I have replaced the bypass spring with a stiffer spring to get more oil flow, but doing so reduces cold weather start-up protection.
Well to each his own I regularly peg a Autometer 100 psi on my LB7. Never, ever had an issue.
Did it spilt or spit out the seal?
To answer KB yes the Wixs has a bypass.
That pump should be adjustable IIRC.
I guess you should Call BMS ask for David and tell him he's a liar and didn't test these pumps with GM filters at 120psi. It sounds like you dont know much about high output diesel motors so I guess you wont understand the usefullness of up to 120 psi when your truck has 850+RwHp moving down a race track at 125+mph and 4000+rpms. I think before you come on so strong with the I'm uneducated remarks you should educate yourself!
Did you know alot of motors in the 550RwHp-650RwHp range when taken apart for motor builds were significantly close to disaster. The main bearings and cam bearings loose viscosity at those power levels and almost seize up like on my motor. David@BMS is a engine builder who noticed this along with his good buddy Curtis@DPR. This new higher psi flowing billitt pump is supposed to be a solution for this problem. Other than startup the psi only gets high when your stomping on it. The fix is simple Block Heater.
I guess you should Call BMS ask for David and tell him he's a liar and didn't test these pumps with GM filters at 120psi. It sounds like you dont know much about high output diesel motors so I guess you wont understand the usefullness of up to 120 psi when your truck has 850+RwHp moving down a race track at 125+mph and 4000+rpms. I think before you come on so strong with the I'm uneducated remarks you should educate yourself!
KB, and myself are trying to help you.
If you are not liking the answers we are giving you maybe you should not have asked the question. You are not the only one that has talked to an bought parts from Dave and Curtis. Both great guys.
The members of this site are great people also. Please try to understand no one here is picking on you. We are simply trying to help.
The fact that it blew the seal tells me that.
1: The seal was bad.
2: The seal got damaged on install because of dirt or not being lubed properly.
3: Simply it was not tight enough.
I was never looking for answers. Like my first post said just trying to share info with the board. I called David to ask questions. The truck was running 1 hour later just fine with a GM filter on. When someone insinuates your uneducated about your truck or what is going on with it kind of sounded like a poke or somthing. Anyway sorry and I do think the people on this board are good people!KB, and myself are trying to help you.
If you are not liking the answers we are giving you maybe you should not have asked the question. You are not the only one that has talked to an bought parts from Dave and Curtis. Both great guys.
The members of this site are great people also. Please try to understand no one here is picking on you. We are simply trying to help.
The fact that it blew the seal tells me that.
1: The seal was bad.
2: The seal got damaged on install because of dirt or not being lubed properly.
3: Simply it was not tight enough.
Cool.
Just because you had an issue does not mean the product is junk. I use Wix filters on everthing I have ever had but my Allison (because MikeL said to use only Allison filters). The only issues I have ever had where my fault. I like them so much because I have cut many filters a part. Wix are very well built. FWIW so are the GM filters.
You got something that works for.
Thanks for sharing.
Just because you had an issue does not mean the product is junk. I use Wix filters on everthing I have ever had but my Allison (because MikeL said to use only Allison filters). The only issues I have ever had where my fault. I like them so much because I have cut many filters a part. Wix are very well built. FWIW so are the GM filters.
You got something that works for.
Thanks for sharing.
Easy big shooter
I dont think anyone is doubting youI thankyou for shareing this info, Most people on this site know about failures from the oil pumps,and Curtis and Dave have really done a excellent job on attemting to fix the issue IMO
your oil pump IIRC does not change pressure at idle does it? I think that this is what your saying?And i think that is what Curtis and Dave have also said
Kinda curious as to what you call cold weather? and what type of oil do you run?
Please dont take this as a insult,just trying to learn from your experiance
I live in Northern California so cold to us is like 25-35 degrees. David told me to run 15w-40 even after this incident. It does seem like what Noreaster said makes sense. It's almost summer and it's scorching here by like 10am. The block heater will be here in 2-3 days anyway. David and Curtis tested these pumps at 70 degrees not 30 so that a big difference in operating result. Sorry if I come of as a #$@$ I'm just trying to share as much info as possible with everybody.Easy big shooter
I thankyou for shareing this info, Most people on this site know about failures from the oil pumps,and Curtis and Dave have really done a excellent job on attemting to fix the issue IMO
your oil pump IIRC does not change pressure at idle does it? I think that this is what your saying?And i think that is what Curtis and Dave have also said
Kinda curious as to what you call cold weather? and what type of oil do you run?
Please dont take this as a insult,just trying to learn from your experiance