Billet vs non-billet

super diesel

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The best processes I've seen is Metalax. No movement of steel at all like with cryo. treatments. However removes all the stresses from the steel that work against it during it's service life. This can be done to a completed motor in the truck as well. The machine prints a graph out of how much stress is in the steel before and after the process. Pretty neat. I used this process extensively it the tool and die trade with problem components that have experienced a high failure rate (only making 2-3 million cycles during service life instead of the 10-12 million cycles I build the stack molds to endure). For the tool makers out there, most of these are Husky molds so you know what I'm talking about. Semi-retired from Tool & Die work now. www.metalax.com Check it out. By the way. I can get this done for anyone interested. My bud owns one.
 
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Lots of great info guys. Thanks for sharing. It is all pretty much exactly how I thought, but what was being said on DP seemed to be a little different. I appreciate all your input.

BTW Johnboy, in your first post of this thread, did you mean to say "This treatment does preform miracles such as filling voids or adding utlimate strenght" about cryo treating?
 
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Wade:rofl: You make me laugh!

Why simple? Are we just a bunch of small minded people? Is your wealth of info just a over load for us?:rofl:

Its tough to elaberate when you can't understand what your reading from your newly googled info:rolleyes:

Funny how so called racers have never heard of cryo treating valve springs:rolleyes:

Cryo treatment could be discussed for pages but it boils down to a pretty basic statement.....It won't make your parts stronger, it will just help to keep them from cracking as soon.
 
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The best processes I've seen is Metalax. No movement of steel at all like with cryo. treatments. However removes all the stresses from the steel that work against it during it's service life. This can be done to a completed motor in the truck as well. The machine prints a graph out of how much stress is in the steel before and after the process. Pretty neat. I used this process extensively it the tool and die trade with problem components that have experienced a high failure rate (only making 2-3 million cycles during service life instead of the 10-12 million cycles I build the stack molds to endure). For the tool makers out there, most of these are Husky molds so you know what I'm talking about. Semi-retired from Tool & Die work now. www.metalax.com Check it out. By the way. I can get this done for anyone interested. My bud owns one.

Same idea a burrying engine parts near railroad tracks for a few years. I know of at least one d-max that had this done to the block. We have used it at work befor with very good results.
 

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Lots of great info guys. Thanks for sharing. It is all pretty much exactly how I thought, but what was being said on DP seemed to be a little different. I appreciate all your input.

BTW Johnboy, in your first post of this thread, did you mean to say "This treatment does preform miracles such as filling voids or adding utlimate strenght" about cryo treating?

Good catch Josh. I will go use my mod super powers.:D
 

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The best processes I've seen is Metalax. No movement of steel at all like with cryo. treatments. However removes all the stresses from the steel that work against it during it's service life. This can be done to a completed motor in the truck as well. The machine prints a graph out of how much stress is in the steel before and after the process. Pretty neat. I used this process extensively it the tool and die trade with problem components that have experienced a high failure rate (only making 2-3 million cycles during service life instead of the 10-12 million cycles I build the stack molds to endure). For the tool makers out there, most of these are Husky molds so you know what I'm talking about. Semi-retired from Tool & Die work now. www.metalax.com Check it out. By the way. I can get this done for anyone interested. My bud owns one.

My motor was done useing that process.....I seen the graph also and it was pretty neat:)
 

super diesel

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It can be done while it's in the truck too. This is how the military preps the big ships for years on the open ocean and the buckling effects they must withstand. The company/person with the machine needs the correct pieces to attach to do this though (doesn't work through rubber mounts of course). There's absolutely no movement from the parts after treatment so it cant cure a already warped/bent component. It just removes the stresses that are fighting them selves inside the parts. Durability is increased on stressed parts.
 
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It can be done while it's in the truck too. This is how the military preps the big ships for years on the open ocean and the buckling effects they must withstand. The company/person with the machine needs the correct pieces to attach to do this though (doesn't work through rubber mounts of course). There's absolutely no movement from the parts after treatment so it cant cure a already warped/bent component. It just removes the stresses that are fighting them selves inside the parts. Durability is increased on stressed parts.

Sounds very nice, but what materials does it best relieve stress in?
 

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The word billet is over used in my opinion.

When you order something made out of "billet" that means it was not cast, forged, sintered, etc. It started out as "block" of material then machined. That's it.... period. Nothing more nothing less. That block that when speaking of aluminum, is typically plate (which is rolled), or bar (which is extruded). It implies nothing about the alloy or temper of the material. Billet = block.

A forging is a forging, cast is cast. Not "billet."

I make "billet" stuff for a living and I hate that word.

x2...I agree completely... people throw it around without even knowing what the word means...just what they THINK it means.

95% of the people out there will tell you anything shiny and aluminum-colored is "billet" and nothing more. Like those "billet" grilles...do they really think those were machined from a hunk of aluminum????

ben
 

super diesel

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Does it help.....Dunno? It was part of his high priced balancing job.

I've seen with undisputed results the effectiveness of this process on high stress components. However these components were under 700+ ton of pressure for millions of cycles (nothing our trucks will ever see). But on that note, I thought,,, if it helps these, than why wouldn't it help our motors as well? Then after some research, I found other racers were doing it as well with good results (less failures). I'm not saying go into the light blindly. Do some research. But I think it will soon prove to be a very worth while preventative for the racer crowd as well as the DD (weekend warrior) that wants ever bit of help and durability his motor can get. It's not a save all though. Make no mistake. It just removes stress that are working against them selves in the motor.