Best 2.5" turbo?
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Matt, no we are going to offer a "Stock Appearing" 2.5" bore limited class (WORK STOCK) at our pull and possibly a few hooks locally yet this year. But it will be a 63mm Inducer limit, No Clipped Wheels, No Tapered Covers, No Bushings!
2.5" is its own class, not be confused with Work Stock anymore. Problem is that the definition of "True 2.5" in the 2.5 class is being heavily greyed.
Caleb
to the O.P. IMHO, I would wait before you buy a turbo. its to late in the season... if you buy one now and rules change then you will be spending more money.... yes, no reprofiled wheels charger much have a straight bore... not that I want to see anyone match n.a.d.m. rules but it seems around here that's what people build for....
and to add, bullseye is coming out with some new stuff next year... there are a few of these chargers out there 
I find this statement hilarious since you guys and E.D. were the first to push the "big 2.5" turbos and the rest of us are playing catch up. I found out about it a week before Indy and spent the whole week designing and build a turbo for Indy to meet the rules and make the power that everyone else was running. I sure as hell wasn't going to sit back and get taken advantage of by someone else's doings. Now your mad because your being beat at your own game. Who ever changed the rules wording needs to be taken out back and given a good old fashion ass kickin! We will no longer sponsor BOB because of this as we sent them a turbo and a written rules to the fall banquet to show them what it needed to be set up like and we end up with this S472-75 recontoured bs that they call 2.5 legal. Dual fuelers shouldn't have been allowed either bu it is what it is. NADM has the rules written the only way that it can't be altered since it must remain 2.5 infront of and behind the map groove. Chase's concern is alittle late and convenient since you guys already made a bunch of money off your big turbos and those guys will have to buy new turbos if the rules change again. You have no one to blame but yourselves on this one.
Hot COCOAL Please excuse my ignorance, does the Danville stg2 vgt68 fall under the 2.5 class turbo?
No sir!
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Hey Mark, what would your 463 do for my pile?? think it would finally finish me off????
Most likely blow your stock engine apart!
HAHA Hi Mark. So FPE has nothing to do with the ED 72-75 recontour stuff thats on their own part.
"The FPE Comp 2.5" Turbo is based off of the HE451 Holset Designed wheel, same as the Holset HE351 Cheetah, the Garrett VNT Billet Cheetahs, and the Borg S468 replacement billet wheel. There was extensive cost, and measures taken to manufacture a wheel that would both be competitive and meet the rules without question. And it does; and drives very nice on the street as well. Not only that, the R&D vested has helped further push these advancements in turbo technology across the entire FPE line of turbos. But we understand your approach to stay ahead of the curve." -Chase Fleece.
Regardless of all of this, Regardless... This is not a shop war, just guys trying to be competitive. This is a demonstration of the lack of competent tech officials at each pull in both organizations. ITPA is putting forth the effort now to try and get everyone on the same track.
Its been a Danville/Fleece slugfest at all of the ITPA 2.5" pulls this year, with most of the guys from both camps shaking it up and exchanging wins. WHICH is the best part about the class, and we want to keep it that way.
Caleb
All I have to say is that last year 2.5 was true 2.5. We designed a new wheel to put big hp on what we had. It met the rules, without pushing into the grey at all, because after all it's the class we have been nurturing for the last 3-4 years.
IF you can show me that you compressor wheel doesn't have a clip or step in it and has a natural compressor profile like ours then I'll be quiet. But I'm pretty sure they don't look like the one below. Straight bore, leading into a radius that leads into an exducer. That's a natural compressor wheel. And it naturally makes big hp on a real 63mm bore!
I take offense to you saying that we're getting beat at our own game, because we aren't playing your game... And we're still running right with you, with less.
As for BOB, yeah it seems anything goes there, they're too far away from us and it seems like they do what they want.
The rules need tightened up. Look at what 2.6 has become.. A damn mess!
Brayden
IF you can show me that you compressor wheel doesn't have a clip or step in it and has a natural compressor profile like ours then I'll be quiet. But I'm pretty sure they don't look like the one below. Straight bore, leading into a radius that leads into an exducer. That's a natural compressor wheel. And it naturally makes big hp on a real 63mm bore!
I take offense to you saying that we're getting beat at our own game, because we aren't playing your game... And we're still running right with you, with less.
As for BOB, yeah it seems anything goes there, they're too far away from us and it seems like they do what they want.
The rules need tightened up. Look at what 2.6 has become.. A damn mess!
Brayden
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You can take all the offense you want to, truth hurts and you know it! Mine have been tech'd to death and they pass so you have no leg to stand on here. They are built to the rules that someone else wrote and pass, end of story. Can cry about it all you want but it is pretty damn cut and dry.
In ITPA you can protest but you have to put up the money and if you loose the protest, the guy you protest gets the money and you loose your points. Not sure in BOB but I'm sure its close to the same.
Brayden Wow... Guess there's no saving it. 2.5 is the new 2.6.
You can point the finger all you want you guys have no one to blame but yourselves.
bob you lose your money if you protest someone and he is found legal. He actually gets the keep your money. If you win the protest and they are illegal you get your money back and they get dq'd from that event and lose the points money.
This makes for good reading sittin on the pot.. Braydon.. U see the pull video of my test hook.... No smoke on the tow tune.. Big tune at the next one.. Maybe bob pull!
I'm not pointing fingers.. I posted the 3D model of our compressor for all of the people of the world to see... What do we blame ourselves with?
It was all downhill at the word protrusion.. I'm done.. You win..
I understand the 2.5 class was meant to give those with a more modded work stock trucks to go... yeah its not fun to pull against 15 farm trucks... then that stirs that pot... I'm not trying to bad mouth anyone at all here brayed, but I was told by many shops that sell your product ,that your turbos will not meet n.a.d.m. rules... i just wish there was a way we could keep everyone happy... but that's not going to happen
mark, I agree with what you say about the fuelers... but then again people will just buy the biggest cp3 they can... and will crap out... it seemed a wile ago there were issues with getting a big pump... however, I feel the fuelers will help keep these trucks more reliable..
None of this matters since they (bob) haven't had an actual tech this entire year..
What do you mean an actual tech? They have teched all the trucks that have showed up. Not every time but atleast once
What do you mean an actual tech? They have teched all the trucks that have showed up. Not every time but atleast once. Atleast when Chris is there. He's had a rough few months, more deaths in his family then I can count. So he hasn't been able to make but half the pulls