Aftermarket up pipes and headers opinions.

[McRat]

Why?

I've seen his stuff and it's nice work WTF is wrong with that?

All i said was his stuff was nice, are you too blind to see what i posted?

Dont matter if i use them or not!

OK, you are officially on the record that you approve of them based on their looks.

I've been so blind over the years. Evaluating products on their performance. I could have saved so much money just posting pictures instead of testing.

The PPE ones are "pretty" too. So are the others I've seen. But then again, I've seen some very fast stuff that wasn't "pretty" as well, so I'm resigned to looking for data on performance instead.

You must forgive me, I ain't a Dodge guy.

 

[Diesel power]

OK, you are officially on the record that you approve of them based on their looks.

I've been so blind over the years. Evaluating products on their performance. I could have saved so much money just posting pictures instead of testing.

The PPE ones are "pretty" too. So are the others I've seen. But then again, I've seen some very fast stuff that wasn't "pretty" as well, so I'm resigned to looking for data on performance instead.

You must forgive me, I ain't a Dodge guy.

It's not cause it's pretty pat, but because the welds and the quality are Nice!

Much better then some others i have seen.

and at least you know that if rick does them it's ALL 100% american made By hand and not built in some slave labour sweat shop or by machine that cant offer you true customer support.

i only know because im also a certified welder by trade! As a matter of fact i hold papers for almost every type of welding except under water....

Just cause you have a mod that happens to make them and sell'in them with out paying to be a vendor dosent make his headers better!

Why the favourtism Pat? i thought you were trying to build a web site based on Good priciples that were opposite of comp D.

i see it in almost every post and PM you send me, i thought you and your site were going to be different, but instead you pick and choose who is in the clique and who is shunned.......

so go ahead and modifie my post like you have been and then send me another nasty PM and all will be fine right?

 

[paint94979]

It's not cause it's pretty pat, but because the welds and the quality are Nice!

Much better then some others i have seen.

and at least you know that if rick does them it's ALL 100% american made By hand and not built in some slave labour sweat shop or by machine that cant offer you true customer support.

i only know because im also a certified welder by trade! As a matter of fact i hold papers for almost every type of welding except under water....

Just cause you have a mod that happens to make them and sell'in them with out paying to be a vendor dosent make his headers better!

Why the favourtism Pat? i thought you were trying to build a web site based on Good priciples that were opposite of comp D.

i see it in almost every post and PM you send me, i thought you and your site were going to be different, but instead you pick and choose who is in the clique and who is shunned.......

so go ahead and modifie my post like you have been and then send me another nasty PM and all will be fine right?

For the record the person you are referring to does not sell headers he has been running them for 40,000 miles on his truck to make sure they don't leak. Pat doesn't run them therfore how could their be favoritism regarding said headers?

 

[McRat]

It's not cause it's pretty pat, but because the welds and the quality are Nice!

Much better then some others i have seen.

and at least you know that if rick does them it's ALL 100% american made By hand and not built in some slave labour sweat shop or by machine that cant offer you true customer support.

i only know because im also a certified welder by trade! As a matter of fact i hold papers for almost every type of welding except under water....

Just cause you have a mod that happens to make them and sell'in them with out paying to be a vendor dosent make his headers better!

Why the favourtism Pat? i thought you were trying to build a web site based on Good priciples that were opposite of comp D.

i see it in almost every post and PM you send me, i thought you and your site were going to be different, but instead you pick and choose who is in the clique and who is shunned.......

so go ahead and modifie my post like you have been and then send me another nasty PM and all will be fine right?

Nope, none of the staff here manufactures anything for sale that I can think of.

Exactly which "Chinese" headers are you talking about? Did you see some at Walmart or something?

They perform better than which ones you've seen? Opppsss, I'm sorry, they are "prettier" than which ones you've seen?

 

[sweetdiesel]

Diesel Power
The only thing that matters is if you have run them and tested them:hello: You said NO

Do you have to have a say in everything?

No one cares that you weld and have papers to show it?

If you feel im picking on you....Sorry but your post are getting annoying from all this wineing you do

 

[Turbo Buick 6]

304 is more prone to cracking at high heat because of the nickel content correct?

304 is not stabalized (no ti) and is prone to carbide percipitation above 800 deg F

http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9885

Just cause you have a mod that happens to make them and sell'in them with out paying to be a vendor dosent make his headers better!

I assume you are speaking about me. If that is the case you should get your facts straight. I would love to know where you are getting your false info from. I have NEVER sold one pair of D-Max headers. I mearly try and educate people on topics they are unfarmiliar with. Why should I pay to be a vendor when I'm not selling anything? Maybe some day I will get to building a few sets, but as Pat says, "Its on my list of things to do" On a scale of 1-10 headers are about a -372 right now.

 

[Kat]

Just cause you have a mod that happens to make them and sell'in them with out paying to be a vendor dosent make his headers better!

Why the favourtism Pat? i thought you were trying to build a web site based on Good priciples that were opposite of comp D.

You are so full of

If Paul was selling his headers to the general public his name would be ORANGE. Since I have control over the good buttons :bootyshake: I don't know where you are getting your info and you know what happens when you ASSume.

As far as people selling stuff here without being a Vendor how many engines have you sold?

So what is your next excuse going to be?


:witch:

 

[Diesel power]

Im done with the BS

You are so full of

If Paul was selling his headers to the general public his name would be ORANGE. Since I have control over the good buttons :bootyshake: I don't know where you are getting your info and you know what happens when you ASSume.

As far as people selling stuff here without being a Vendor how many engines have you sold?

So what is your next excuse going to be?


:witch:

No, i have sold used engines which are not an aftermarket product, i dont have a problem with someone sellin stuff with out being vendors, but i do have a problem with the way pat does certain things and favours certain people, on here while others "get shafted" as examples.

I mean as soon as i went against the grain with the pistons theroies i have Pat and a few cronies have been following me around just looking for trouble.
All because i think things work a bit differently than they do, and im not the only one who see's this, i have got Numerous e-mails, PM's, and phone calls about Pat and the way the "New regiem" is running.... and alot of folks are getting a different side of him that they never knew, as am i. dont know if it's the fact that he misunderstands what point im trying to get across or just plain dont like anything different than his views.

I have always respected the way pat has spoke in the past, and also respected his accomplishments, but recent posts have led me in a slightly different direction, and many others.

I have tied to take this to PM's and all i get is false accusations and nasty comments all day long that get me know where.
Yes i have a lot of input that could help many people but, i mostly keep it limited to exactly what pertains to me and my projects, Hence the pistons, rods, cranks and such threads. The good thing about the whole "tech thread" stuff is that you get to throw out a different senario in the mix.....It is different ideas and view points that have helped make American as great as it is today.....:hug:

 

[McRat]

Let's see, you hassle our vendors publically, you call our staff crooks, you trash Dmax guys...

When the CompD guys came onto this board trashing you, I defended you and gave you a chance. It wasn't us who changed. We've always been pricks.

I permitted you to sell engines at a profit if it didn't cause problems, but it did. Your Garage Sale priviledges are now suspended due to your attempt to scam a member here.

You are welcome to read and post on the board, but if you've been treated poorly, I'd leave if I were you. I gave you a chance, you proved the CompD guys were right instead.

There is no "argument" you can make that will remove you implying TurboBuick a crook. Which is funny since you've never done business with him.

Let's get this thread back on topic.

 

[RickDLance]

I'll try to help get this aimed back at headers.

The 304 headers and/or up pipes for the Duramax have been out there for almost 2 years now. I honestly have not seen one set fail that are the direct fault of the material. I had over 70,000 miles on my set when I sold them. There are also several people running them that make plenty of power , and run quick enough to be a real test. I have seen several sets glowing on the dyno and at sled pulls.

As far as the braided bellows are concerned, I have used those since the beginning days when I worked for MDP and still do where space allows. The OEM style routing I prefer does have space limitations.

I am already working on a coated mild steel set for testing, and based on this thread I will work on a 321 set too for those that feel they need them.

Thanks!

 

[Diesel power]

off topic. McRat

 

[Redbone]

Just don't make the headers/up-pipes too big.

Too big to fit or too big as in lazy spooling? By the way how big is too big?

 

[bigbird]

Damn, this thread went to shit. All i was looking for was honest info from those that have actually TRIED them. Wasn't looking for if they looked pretty, or if you thought they were made with wrong material. Since Rick changed his proccess after the early ones cracked has anyone PERSONALLY had an up pipe failure. I am leaning towards trying the up pipes and wait on the headers just due to cost.

 

[McRat]

Header debates are surpassing WWF Wrestling as the #1 entertainment value in America!

 

[jpowel29]

Damn, this thread went to shit. All i was looking for was honest info from those that have actually TRIED them. Wasn't looking for if they looked pretty, or if you thought they were made with wrong material. Since Rick changed his proccess after the early ones cracked has anyone PERSONALLY had an up pipe failure. I am leaning towards trying the up pipes and wait on the headers just due to cost.

Rick's up-pipes have worked out very well on my truck. I notice the biggest difference in the upper rpm range (and a little better spool-up up at part throttle). I typically see 1600 at the top end of the track with my current set-up. I have not logged drive pressure so I can not comment on that yet. I have had his slip joint headers glowing on the dyno and they (and the up-pipes have not leaked). No issues with the bellows. He currently has a design to bolt directly to the factory manifolds.

 

[LarryJewell]

question for you. so your saying with that high of drive presure at wot throttle you where only in the 1400 range and down to 1350? im sorry i just done belive it. my truck would not run below 1600 at wot with the same turbo your running. I was running about 38 max psi of boost.

hmmm, I have one of those turbos and am getting +/- 1400 at WOT & 100mph, what kind of vane postion were you running

 

[othrgrl]

Larry I sent you the tune a while ago. On the tune that I ran 12.36 on, was seeing 1400* peak then back to 1350*, and had almost 2:1 drive to boost pressure my vane position was 50% at 2800 RPM and dropped to 30% by 4800 RPM so for most of the RPM range that you see at WOT it was in the 40s.

After the headers and up-pipes my tuning had 44% @ 2800 RPM and dropped to 31% by 3400 RPM and had 29% the rest of the way across. This is the tune that dropped my drive pressure to 65 PSI with 45-47PSI of boost and I couldn't get peak EGTs to hit 1250* during 4WD WOT runs to over 100mph. I never got it on the track with the new tune and headers since the motor gave up before I got the chance.