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Mike L.

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You need a good driver and a good computer system to keep the driver out of trouble.
As far as the computer in the Allison predicting the next shift; that works fine unless you are running a DSP 5 switch and you decide to switch it up to kill mode. It cannot predict the next shift.
 

duratothemax

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A computer can never anticipate what's next. They're purely reactive.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. You, as a human, can never truly predict whats next either. You, as a human, are reactive too. Anticipating/knowing whats next, is called being able to look into the future, or time travel. As far as I know, humans cant do that yet. :rolleyes:

When you are coming into a turn on the track, do YOU know exactly how hot the tires are? Do YOU know exactly how the car is going to react at that moment? Did YOU see that small patch of sand or puddle? No, of course not. You have absolutely no idea what the actual limits are of a given car in a given moment at a given speed at a given temperature at a given angle, etc...

What do you when you are driving aggressively....you push the car until it starts to lose control....then you....OMG....wait for it......REACT!!! And then you correct the loss of control. How is that different than what a computer does. (hint: it isnt)

Give me a break. Here, answer this question for me: If humans can "anticipate whats next" and computers cant, then why do people get into car accidents in the first place? If you can anticipate whats next, then why did you come into that corner 5mph too fast, and put your brand new ZL1 Camaro into the wall? I thought humans could anticipate/predict what was gonna happen next???? :confused:

Obviously being a good driver is the first thing thats important. But dont knock on modern ESC/TCS systems as "worthless". True, electronics are not a 100% substitute for a bad driver...but they do a pretty impressive job! And a good driver, combined with a properly calibrated ESC/TCS system would be unstoppable. Why do you think ESC/TCS is strictly prohibited in any kind of car racing??? Because its a HUGE unfair advantage.
 

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As far as the computer in the Allison predicting the next shift; that works fine unless you are running a DSP 5 switch and you decide to switch it up to kill mode. It cannot predict the next shift.

That 2001 dumb-learning TCM OS does a pretty decent job though! :D
 

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So what you're saying is, you could put a 16 year old who just got their license in one car with all your gadgets and a pro racer in another car of similar power, weight, etc minus the computers and have them drag race and the kid would win? Why do race car drivers get paid so much damned money then? Just build a computer to do it!!
 

Chevy1925

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Change the rules, let computer programmers determine races.


So you want to watch a bunch of robots race knowing exactly what they will run and never deter from their program map? You just killed racing entertainment if that's the case
 

DAVe3283

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Computers are against the rules
Yep, would make the cars all virtually identical. Moreso than they are now. Plus, it removes a lot of driver error and judgment that makes the drivers unique.
Change the rules, let computer programmers determine races.
So you want to watch a bunch of robots race knowing exactly what they will run and never deter from their program map? You just killed racing entertainment if that's the case
I would personally argue that there is little entertainment in watching racing for the drivers to begin with. I love drag racing, not for the drivers' skill, but for the technology behind the cars. Same with F1. I could care less who is the better driver, I like to see what manufacturer does what with the turbo, and with the KERS settings, etc.

But I am not your typical race fan. I get bored to death watching NASCAR. Still love the sound & smell, but give it 30 minutes and I whip out the phone.
 

DMAXchris

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So what you're saying is, you could put a 16 year old who just got their license in one car with all your gadgets and a pro racer in another car of similar power, weight, etc minus the computers and have them drag race and the kid would win?

The pro would prob still win due to a better reaction time, but yeah, it would be pretty damn close. Have you seen how the launch control works on these high end cars? Push/hold a few buttons, left foot on brake, right foot to the floor & let it rip. The car does all the work for you, especially with the flappy paddle gear boxes, traction control & fancy twin clutches.
 

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So what you're saying is, you could put a 16 year old who just got their license in one car with all your gadgets and a pro racer in another car of similar power, weight, etc minus the computers and have them drag race and the kid would win? Why do race car drivers get paid so much damned money then? Just build a computer to do it!!

Why this is funny to me, I don't know, am I the only one that chuckled after reading this?
Srsly, most any race car has some sort of computerized controls complimenting the driver, in some way or another, were not talking about the 50's, 60' or even the 80's here, we live in the modern age of silicon and gold in the form of micro chips.

you could put a 16y/o in a new caprice and the professional in an original condition restored copo camaro and the 16y/o would probably win, lol

And let's not forget that most race car drivers now days either start out when they're kids, they are 16y/o and or both...some of these kids were racing karts long before obtaining a license was remotely possible

you'll hardly see a "grown man" or "grown woman" in any venue of professional racing, just starting out

currently there are investors/government/technology groups looking into self driving vehicles, android humanoid robotics and even "living tissue" covered "living, predicting, learning androids"
so, "they're" building just what you challenged to

real life terminator shit isn't too far off, rise of the machine, rage against it
 
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My car was finally built on June 10th (original schedule, May 19). However, it is still sitting in a field outside the factory with 200-300 other Z/28's waiting to be shipped. Why? I do not know.

Robert and I will probably turn the junk Z06 into a track car.

I'd like to see electric. Be pricey to build but damn cool!!
 

MACKIN

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It takes a combination of the two computers and man-women. Not ALL variables can the computer control. Traction stability BUT it has to lose traction and stability to compensate. Still need eyes and hands on the wheel to get from point A to B for now. :D
 

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Look at the GTR. An idiot can climb behind the wheel and smoke just about anything on the street from a dig. Put your left foot in, put your right foot in, let your left foot out and scurry all about
 

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Look at the GTR. An idiot can climb behind the wheel and smoke just about anything on the street from a dig. Put your left foot in, put your right foot in, let your left foot out and scurry all about

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Do the hokie pokie and shake out a 10 second quarter...
 

Lparrill

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Best part is I know that road by heart.

That particular article doesn't say but he wrecked on Riverdale road by Brighton. It's one curvy road that follows a river. Not exactly the kind of road for a hellcat
 
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