5r110 swap? let the flaming begin

[paint94979]

Tell me this ? whats the biggest hassle of a trans failing ? Its yanking the stupid thing out , and the cost associated with the failure . So with that in mind I can almost bet good money that an Allison can last the 25 passes in any truck when built properly , that is all it would have to do to stay in the truck the same amount of time as the Duraflite , because of having to change a torque converter every 25 passes in the duraflight equipped Duramax's , JMHOP and I am not saying any one who switched to the duraflite is foolish , it is def a viable option for a race only truck , its just $$ is all for still having problems associated with it .

No doubt trent that the Allison can last, I should have elaborated further in my uneducated opinon what is the average drop in ET from an Allison vs. the Duraflite? IIRC Mike said .2 or .3? I may be completely wrong however

 

[carcrafter22]

How are you going to control it?

With a pcs controller, at least thats how I control mine behind my mechanical isuzu diesel in my 67 F100, works great. Unless your really good with tuning and have the tools or spare cash, build the trans and converter, buy the controller, etc then make the adapter plate and flywheel setup I doubt its a viable option behind a full tilt Dmax, but I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[Mike L.]

With a pcs controller, at least thats how I control mine behind my mechanical isuzu diesel in my 67 F100, works great. Unless your really good with tuning and have the tools or spare cash, build the trans and converter, buy the controller, etc then make the adapter plate and flywheel setup I doubt its a viable option behind a full tilt Dmax, but I would love to be proven wrong.

Are you running a 5R110 or a 4R100 or maybe a 4R70W? Not the same as 5R110.

I wasn't aware that anyone had a stand alone controller for the 5R110 since each shift solenoid is a pressure regulator. We cannot control pressure in this trans as it has to be done with a power programmer.

 

[02bigstrokin]

i was only asking, sorry to start another pissing match on this forum. i was curious if it could be done. i think that the ford transmissions shift 10 times better then the allison and shift the same each time. and they can be build to hold big power. im not saying the allison cant but just looking for other options. i guess ill scratch the whole idea.

 

[KEVINL]

i was only asking, sorry to start another pissing match on this forum. i was curious if it could be done. i think that the ford transmissions shift 10 times better then the allison and shift the same each time. and they can be build to hold big power. im not saying the allison cant but just looking for other options. i guess ill scratch the whole idea.

I don't blame you I hate that I have to drive like an a$$hole all the time to get the truck to shift right under WOT. And all the problems with converters not locking it gets old you would think after dropping $4-5K it would work like it supposed to. The Ford guys are running 600Whp on stock torqshifts will they last I don't know?, but a Ally wouldn't make one pass at 600whp and not limp

 

[SteveFord]

Tell me this ? whats the biggest hassle of a trans failing ? Its yanking the stupid thing out , and the cost associated with the failure . So with that in mind I can almost bet good money that an Allison can last the 25 passes in any truck when built properly , that is all it would have to do to stay in the truck the same amount of time as the Duraflite , because of having to change a torque converter every 25 passes in the duraflight equipped Duramax's , JMHOP and I am not saying any one who switched to the duraflite is foolish , it is def a viable option for a race only truck , its just $$ is all for still having problems associated with it .

Isn't the reason to change the converter after so many passes because of hp? I thought suncoast built the converter for the duraflite and it was there recomendation to do so?? Anyone making over 1000 rwhp I would think there converter wouldn't last half a season if drag raced regularly. Trent yours being light is the smart way to make everything live and having a good hp to weight ratio would make it so you don't have to make as much power to go as fast or faster. Everything benifits from your idea on how you setup your truck.

 

[Mike L.]

i was only asking, sorry to start another pissing match on this forum. i was curious if it could be done. i think that the ford transmissions shift 10 times better then the allison and shift the same each time. and they can be build to hold big power. im not saying the allison cant but just looking for other options. i guess ill scratch the whole idea.

There was no pissing match just questions being asked and answered.

 

[TrentNell]

Isn't the reason to change the converter after so many passes because of hp? I thought suncoast built the converter for the duraflite and it was there recomendation to do so?? Anyone making over 1000 rwhp I would think there converter wouldn't last half a season if drag raced regularly. Trent yours being light is the smart way to make everything live and having a good hp to weight ratio would make it so you don't have to make as much power to go as fast or faster. Everything benifits from your idea on how you setup your truck.

My truck is light ,but not that light ,we are talking 4-500 lbs diff is all from other race trucks . Ya it helps but it isnt going to make miracles happen .

There was no pissing match just questions being asked and answered.

X2

 

[J Spruill]

Tell me this ? whats the biggest hassle of a trans failing ? Its yanking the stupid thing out , and the cost associated with the failure . So with that in mind I can almost bet good money that an Allison can last the 25 passes in any truck when built properly , that is all it would have to do to stay in the truck the same amount of time as the Duraflite , because of having to change a torque converter every 25 passes in the duraflight equipped Duramax's , JMHOP and I am not saying any one who switched to the duraflite is foolish , it is def a viable option for a race only truck , its just $$ is all for still having problems associated with it .

who changes the tq con every 25 passes in a duraflite? i hope one day an ally can run back to back to back 9s.

 

[deHuncho]

Thinking differently... what about a 4r100. Thought I remember reading about some dodge boys hooking them behind the cummins and them holding well. So in theory you would just need an adapter since the rest is worked out. Just another thougth

 

[carcrafter22]

Are you running a 5R110 or a 4R100 or maybe a 4R70W? Not the same as 5R110.

I wasn't aware that anyone had a stand alone controller for the 5R110 since each shift solenoid is a pressure regulator. We cannot control pressure in this trans as it has to be done with a power programmer.

yes I know the differnce between those three transmissions and this is a 5R110 from a 2006 F250. I made the adapter plate and flywhel myself the trans has a sock rbuild with a custom stall speed aftermarket converter. The controller is from pcs (purchased through destoke).

 

[TrentNell]

who changes the tq con every 25 passes in a duraflite? i hope one day an ally can run back to back to back 9s.

Maybe i am mistaken, how many passes are you guys getting, I have heard similar # but you know how rumors go ? I know Max'd Out has went through a few in a similar pattern to what i posted , and this isn't a dig towards Bucks truck or Kens I have a lot of respect for both rigs , i wish there were better options , and am not saying the Allison is better , but i am hoping it can be a viable to keep it if we keep pushing it hard and tweaking as Nec , and I am certain an Allison will run back to back 9's this year ,but don't know that it will be repeatable at any weight or just the lighter weight trucks like myself or any reg cab really ( 5500-6k lbs ), I guess we'll see how it goes this season ,I could be wrong and it could break the next timeout , you just never know once the power level is that high .

 

[Mike L.]

who changes the tq con every 25 passes in a duraflite? i hope one day an ally can run back to back to back 9s.

:secret: Can't say any more.

 

[Mike L.]

Chris doesn't like me anymore

Must have seen you naked.:rofl:

 

[paint94979]

Must have seen you naked.:rofl:

:spit::hug:

 

[Mike L.]

yes I know the differnce between those three transmissions and this is a 5R110 from a 2006 F250. I made the adapter plate and flywhel myself the trans has a sock rbuild with a custom stall speed aftermarket converter. The controller is from pcs (purchased through destoke).

Cool. I didn't know it was available.

 

[IdahoRob]

Real world experience.

80+ passes in the 10's and 9's, with the same duraflite that I installed over a year ago. We are on the third converter, not because of problems, but because of recommendations. In SLC, I thought we lost a converter, but turned out to be a rather large hole in the intercooler.

I have not touched the tranny except to move it back for a converter install. The truck went quicker than my sig times last weekend on the same old duraflite.

Street driving is very nice if tuned right.

I hope to see the day the allison gets there, but Nathan, Ken , and I decided to take those problems out of the equation after talking to Buck. We have never looked back and have saved money.

As far as what is lost by refreshing an allison? In my mind, winning races. For me, I'm easy on equipment, only run as fast as I need to to win. Going to an event and having a failure is not want what on my mind. The duraflite helps me win.

Just my .02 for what it is worth.

 

[TrentNell]

Real world experience.

80+ passes in the 10's and 9's, with the same duraflite that I installed over a year ago. We are on the third converter, not because of problems, but because of recommendations. In SLC, I thought we lost a converter, but turned out to be a rather large hole in the intercooler.

I have not touched the tranny except to move it back for a converter install. The truck went quicker than my sig times last weekend on the same old duraflite.

Street driving is very nice if tuned right.

I hope to see the day the allison gets there, but Nathan, Ken , and I decided to take those problems out of the equation after talking to Buck. We have never looked back and have saved money.

As far as what is lost by refreshing an allison? In my mind, winning races. For me, I'm easy on equipment, only run as fast as I need to to win. Going to an event and having a failure is not want what on my mind. The duraflite helps me win.

Just my .02 for what it is worth.

Well said Rob , I was hoping you would chime in , I keep wondering why the dodge guys keep breaking shafts but you guys have had great luck with the hard parts , are you guys running Opie's shafts in it ? Maybe some day you guys can test the max amount of passes a converter can go , I would be curious the find out for myself as would alot of others , if that issue could be solved it would be a big advantage towards the Duraflite IMOP .

 

[IdahoRob]

The one that went in the truck last year and that is still in the truck is over the counter Suncoast with the skinny stock size billet shafts.

We have another one built that is waiting for testing that has all of Opie and Dave at Ultimate Transmissions magic incorporated.

 

[IdahoRob]

I'm over the recommended limits now on the converter and spools as easy as my street truck that has a 1057.