1/8th vs 1/4mi racing:

fast03

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Looks like it will be decided the night before the race in private if you attend the TS Sales Promo.

It looks like majority of the Dodge guys want 1/8th mile and most the Dmax guys want 1/4mi.

If it is split down brand lines (1/8th favors a certain engine setup), then it should remain a 1/4mi race. Otherwise it is nothing but handicapping one brand over the other Time for that crap to come to an end if they want the sport to move forward.

won't be the first time
 
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My thoughts exactly. If you can't keep your truck together for 1/4 mile and repeat it as many times as needed, then someone needs to figure out a new program.


Are you guys going to travel all the way to Kentucky not knowing if you are running 1/8th or 1/4? Dennis says there will be a vote on the fri. and majority rules.
 

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Are you guys going to travel all the way to Kentucky not knowing if you are running 1/8th or 1/4? Dennis says there will be a vote on the fri. and majority rules.

There are never any guarantees on anything. Dennis also reserves the right to ban any racer who he is not fond of. He has made that clear a few times.

Personally I don't trust him as far as I can spit, but that's me. If I were showing (fat chance of driving 2,000mi to find out I can't race) I'd set up for 1/8th mile. Dennis would not have posted that question unless it was pretty much a done-deal.
 

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There are never any guarantees on anything. Dennis also reserves the right to ban any racer who he is not fond of. He has made that clear a few times.

Personally I don't trust him as far as I can spit, but that's me. If I were showing (fat chance of driving 2,000mi to find out I can't race) I'd set up for 1/8th mile. Dennis would not have posted that question unless it was pretty much a done-deal.


Isn't NHRDA running the show now? I'd be pretty pissed if i was Randy, as he's not one of these 1/8th mile pussies.
 

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There are videos of Dennis doing test runs recently apparently testing his convertor IN THE 1/8th MI. But lets out before the big end. SURELY that doesn't have anything to do with it? :angel:
 

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Are you guys going to travel all the way to Kentucky not knowing if you are running 1/8th or 1/4? Dennis says there will be a vote on the fri. and majority rules.



I'm sure we will go either way. We'll try to up the power as much as we can, try to get our 60' times down, and strip every pound of extra weight we can. With a 6000lb truck it's hard to compete against 5000lbs but all we can do is try. The fastest trucks have .4 on us in the 1/8th right now but hopefully in the next couple weeks we can cut that way down to where if we are better on the tree we'll win.
 

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There are videos of Dennis doing test runs recently apparently testing his convertor IN THE 1/8th MI. But lets out before the big end. SURELY that doesn't have anything to do with it? :angel:

Dennis knows how to drive? :eek:

:rofl:

To Dennis, the rulebook is no different than a turbine housing or tires. It's something you adjust to help you win. ;)
 

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I'm sure we will go either way. We'll try to up the power as much as we can, try to get our 60' times down, and strip every pound of extra weight we can. With a 6000lb truck it's hard to compete against 5000lbs but all we can do is try. The fastest trucks have .4 on us in the 1/8th right now but hopefully in the next couple weeks we can cut that way down to where if we are better on the tree we'll win.

Nitrous has less lag than a turbocharger, hence they have an 1/8th mile advantage over a fuel truck. If they are going to run 1/8th, I'd bring the stickiest tires I can get my hands on and a blue bottle just in case. It's a When In Rome kinda thing. IMO...
 

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The converter that they're testing will be one that will couple so fast and hard that there will only be a 50 rpm drop going into lock-up. I have been playing with this type of converter on a couple of trucks. The truck will be tuned for this type of converter and is designed for 1/8 mile.
 

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but you do come up with some imaginative Dodge conspiracy theories Pat.

Who's side are you on really? that is ridiculous will you ever see Pro Stock cars, Funny Cars, or Top Fuel Dragsters run 1/8 mile because its safer??? Get a clue tonto the 1/4 mile is where racing happens not 1/8 mile. If the competition can't keep there trucks together for the 1/4 then don't race.
 
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beach_33

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it seems to me that there are alot more dodge's that run nitrous. so they would have an advantage in the 1\8th i think. while it doesnt seem to take dmax's as long to spool even the aftermarket turbos it does take the dodge trucks for ever to spool. with nitrous they dont have to worry about that. then they can run the biggest turbo they can find
 

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F' bowling green, Move this stuff to a real track, Vegas!

When people dont like the way things are done, they go somewhere else. BG wants to do this, its there choice. If dodge guys rather compete with each other, so be it. Who wants to race when it becomes political, and what I mean by political is, group X wants it this way, but everyone else dont want that so group X comes up with a "story" that would make everyone else feel better and go with it....

Save the 1/8th mile BS for the people who are learning, cant shut down, and the Jr. drags.

this isn't a pine wood derby, this is racing!
 
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beach_33

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while i would rather run the 1/4 mile we have an 1/8th mile track that is closer. i do try to make it to the big track at least once a year but the 3hr drive makes it a little hard when i can drive an hour to race the 1/8th
 

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I have no dog in this hunt. But, IIRC isn't the 1/8th mile requirement for a rollbar 7.49? I couldn't find it in the NHRA rule book though.
 

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I have no dog in this hunt. But, IIRC isn't the 1/8th mile requirement for a rollbar 7.49? I couldn't find it in the NHRA rule book though.

:eek: thats only 2-3 ths away for me ..... but i can remember hearing the same # before .



i think its up to the venue ,and the drivers , while i already stated i think the 1/8 idea for such fast trucks is bs and would not make that drive to run ... like kat said i dont have a dog in this fight . all i can say is good luck to the maxed out crew either way , hoping you guys :wup:
 

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Here's a few points I have about it:

1/8 mile will open up the ProStreet class to fast trucks that don't have cages. I know of a decent amount of trucks that run faster than 11.49 but don't have cages - just locally we have Winston, Ed Wayne, John Porterfield (Dodge), Brian B (Dodge), and there are without a doubt quite a few others around the country.

1/8 mile is without arguement safer than 1/4

Duramax's normally 60' better than Dodges and will likely have an advantage in the 1/8th if anything. I usually see big power Dodges struggle out of the hole then run down slightly lower power Duramax's

There are quite a few 1/8 mile tracks around the country that are people's home tracks and what they have their truck set up for.

It is harder on a truck to run the 1/4 - your EGTs are normally at or near their peak by the 1/8 and you are just running it hot and hard in 5th the rest of the way down the track.

There are getting to be more and more sub 11.5 trucks that are still multi-use. This is mostly Duramax's as many Dodges are purpose built for racing OR sled pulling and are often not daily drivers anymore at this level. Just as an example Ed daily drives his truck, pulls around a 28 ft enclosed trailer, swaps on slicks to race then bushes his turbo to 2.8 and swaps on STS's to pull. Winston does much of the same. The 2 local Dodges I mentioned are race only trucks that see some street time - they would likely not mind installing a cage as much as Ed or Winston.

Many of the guys I see posting in this thread do not have ProStreet trucks running faster than 11.5 and have not had to consider installing a cage in their daily driver. I also don't feel that 1/8th mile would at all give the Dodges the upperhand and would not be at all surprised if it was mostly Duramax guys asking for it to be 1/8th. I really don't think it is a Dodge conspiracy - but you do come up with some imaginative Dodge conspiracy theories Pat.

ProStreet today means heavy duty safety equipment regardless. All the PS trucks run in rollbar territory at both 1/8th mile tracks and 1/4 mile tracks unless the specific track doesn't tech safety equipment. The faster trucks run in rollcage territory. If your truck doesn't need a rollbar, ProStreet is the wrong class for you.

Most the crashes happen before the eighth, and crashing at 100mph isn't all that pleasant anyhow. Heck, 70mph will ruin your weekend. 35mph will send you home early.

As far as conspiracy? TS Dennis is a Dodge Guy who owns a Dodge ProStreet car, err... truck. The only ProStreet guys I've heard from who want 1/8th mile are Dodge guys. That ain't a conspiracy, that just the way it's been for a couple or three years. Before your time, but certainly you can look it up.
 

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im going down to watch! i want to see the 1/4 mile! but if it does go to 1/8 and some people say that dodges have an advantage i think that should just push you ps truck to tune it for the 1/8 and run it! but my $.2 cents don't matter
 

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The are the same safety(roll bars, belts, etc,) rules for the 1/8 mile, so that argument goes out the window.

As Nathan said, we'll go anyway and try to beat them at their own game.