LB7: ‘03 No Start Without A Little Help

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I wonder if the lift pump was a bandaid for return rates getting a little high. Then when they exceeded that it wouldn't start until the rpms where high enough, thus the use of WD40

What are your cranking rpms? Does it help if you unplug the pressure regulator?



Cranking rpms are normal. Just as fast as my lml. Didn’t try unplugging the regulator but it is looking for 43mpa at idle and getting it once it’s running. I don’t recall what the mA was at.
 

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I’m going to assume it is but I can’t read the ecm to confirm. Won’t get past the bootloader part.
FWIW it wails pretty good, very little smoke and rugged it up to 80mph and never limped or coded.
 

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About 1.5 once it warmed up. 3.2 when it started cold.

oh thats terrible. healthy main injection rate is 8-10mm3. This is why your balance rates are going to 0 because the main injection rate is probably falling to damn near 0 or 0 which is the injectors just completely shutting off. You can get a lope from this too.

This could mean shot injectors or the tune has been dicked with in the 0-10mm3 area. you can bandaid it by cutting pulse width down in that area and may help teh starting issue
 

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I don't remember the normal values but doesn't that seem a little low?



I kind of thought so but not sure.
That was main inj fuel flow rate on the pid.
It’s at about 4 in drive.
 

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Being that I can’t get past the bootloader when I go to read it will I be able to full flash it? I know the OS number as I was able to get that info. It’s a 9044.
 

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Did a return rate test a couple times from the fuel return line which gave me both banks and the cp3 and got about 100ml which is right at max spec. Not enough I don’t believe to be the cause of the hard start.
 

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I think you can. I thought there was an update that adressed this issue. Allowing you to overwrite locked tunes. I would give it a try so at least you can start with a know good tune
 

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Injectors. I’d bet money.

Look at calc frp flow and see what that says. Should be 6-800 max. At idle
 

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I’ve had multiple with the same symptoms. No start unless a whiff, then runs ok. Some show low rail while under load.
 

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You may be right. I’ll try to return test each head separately as after I thought about it the new cp3 could be returning 30ml and each head could be leaking the rest putting injectors way out of spec so I best rule that out.
 

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return rates wont tell you what the main injection rate is telling you. the injectors are letting too much fuel in the cyl. The computer notices this and stars pulling pulse width back on the injectors. they can only go as far as 0 unless you scale down the table in the idle area or put injectors in that are not leaking. You just happen to have injectors who have all worn out evenly. Being they are most like VOC injectors, this does not surprise me a bit.

the hard starting is probably from the fact the injectors are on the cusp of returning too much fuel and the fact the tips are leaking. crack an injection line just a bit loose on a known good running truck and it will do what your rig is doing. Like Corbin is saying, all signs say "injectors"
 

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Why no haze at all if they are hucking too much fuel into the cylinders? Nothing even on startup. And I mean nothing. No codes either. Wouldn’t you get something if it had to pull that much fuel? Just trying to understand what’s happening.
 

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Why no haze at all if they are hucking too much fuel into the cylinders? Nothing even on startup. And I mean nothing. No codes either. Wouldn’t you get something if it had to pull that much fuel? Just trying to understand what’s happening.

because all 8 injectors have worn evenly and the computer can still account for too much fuel in each cyl. it reduces pulse width and you dont get a haze. You would never get a code cause there is no reason to throw one (dont believe there is a OBD2 code this type situation to begin with in a diesel). you dont have some injectors that are flowing the correct amount and some that are not, that is MUCH harder for the computer to even out and as the varience grows, hazing starts and increase.
 

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Injectors. I’d bet money.

Look at calc frp flow and see what that says. Should be 6-800 max. At idle



Ok
Well trying to load a file in to my v2 to log this calc frp flow via bbx but every time i go to program it I get error code for a write failure. Starting to get pissed off at this whole efilive thing. Not sure why they had to complicate it with this v8 bs. 7.5 worked fine.
 

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And now 7.5 does this to me.
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I have it set to dynamic. Fml