wheel and tire weight vs width

zf>allison

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I know there's a ton of guys running 20s with 305s. I have lmm 17s and 285 60 toyo proxes. In 2wd I can spin very easily, in 4wd however it hooks pretty good, even launching from a stop. Would it be worth the weight of 20s and 305s to go to a wider tire. How much would a 305 help traction over 285s in 2wd? I think my wheel and tire combo are like 62 pounds a piece. The track I'm not worried about it because it's in 4x4, more so wondering for street use. Plus a set of these toyos for 17s are Fairley cheap compared to 305s.
 

Chevy1925

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you wont gain hardly anything. you need weight transfer in 2wd and more weight on the ass end with less up front (sprung, not unsprung), or swap to a stickier tire.

you can have a good hooking truck in 2wd or in 4wd but you wont ever get both without lots of modifications. to make one hook over the other is two entirely different ways of suspension setup.
 

zf>allison

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Plus buying wheels and tires over what I have isn't exactly cheap. It spins pretty easy but I'm only running 22000 psi max rail so there is tuning left in it. I imagine it's only gonna get worse.
 

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you can have a good hooking truck in 2wd or in 4wd but you wont ever get both without lots of modifications. to make one hook over the other is two entirely different ways of suspension setup.
I'm going to have to disagree with you a little here. While it is true you don't want the same setup on a 4wd as you do a 2wd, a good hooking 2wd will only hook better with 4wd unless you are carrying the front tires, but even if you are, how many times have you seen a 2wd blow off the tires after they are out of the hole?
 

Ne-max

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I run nitto 420 275/70/17. Super light with the wheels I'm running. Hook like a boss. Suspension is key. Less spinning mass the Better.
 

SickLL7Crenshaw

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Keep your 17s on IMO. Adding 1lb of weight on your wheel/tire is like adding 7lbs to the bed of the truck. With 305/50s with 20s weigh anywhere from 78-90 depending what wheel you choose. Just weighed my buddies setup with 420s and BMFs and it came out to 81lbs a corner. If you decided to go that route look into BMFs, method and raceline wheels for light 20s.
 

Chevy1925

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I'm going to have to disagree with you a little here. While it is true you don't want the same setup on a 4wd as you do a 2wd, a good hooking 2wd will only hook better with 4wd unless you are carrying the front tires, but even if you are, how many times have you seen a 2wd blow off the tires after they are out of the hole?

i agree but the amount of transfer you want will cause the front of our trucks to rise and generally you want a fairly quick rise for 2wd so weight transfers back on that ass end and plants the rear tires. doing that in 4wd will cause the front end to rise up quick and torque steer under a hard launch and most likely wont gain you much in launching. a stiffer rear shock setting and slower front rebound setting in 4wd is a much better setup over a 2wd where you want a faster rebound in the front and little less compression in the rear to (assuming leafs are still in place). then you have cal track preload which is less in a 2wd over a 4wd. then you still have the issue of trying to get weight transfer back to those back tires, specially in a stick. most guys run a big ass slick to get some decent traction cause they cant lean on those back tires like a car can as well as the fact we have so much weight to get moving and a ton of torque over a gasser with comparable HP ratings. Im not against one or the other, im actually trying to talk brian into going 2wd cause i see potential there. to me, you cant take a well setup 2wd, throw it in 4wd and expect it to launch well and hard. Specially on our trucks

my point is, with nothing moved to the bed, doing no adjustments to make 2wd hook better or possibly not having the ability to do so, a stick shift, and limited tires for the tires, going to a 305 isnt going to net him hardly anything compared to what else can be done.
 

zf>allison

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Probably just stick with what I have then. Cheap and light setup right now if traction becomes to big of an issue street tires will be out of the question anyway
 

Ne-max

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I have had both. To me the 2wd required much more preload then the 4wd. There is a good link floating around where rob goes into great details on setting up caltracs
 

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I'm no racer, but I always thought that the contact patch of a tire should be long and not wide for launches. That said, more sidewall gives a longer contact patch. So wouldn't a 285/70/17 give a better launch than say a 285 in a shorter sidewall on 20's?

IIRC wide contact patch for cornering and longer for launching and braking.

Wally
 

zf>allison

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Probably but the problem is finding street tires in any size but a 305/50/20 my 17s are very limited on tire selection