Info: What pistons For build

[JoshH]

That was a sarcastic remark as you seem to be taking my comments a little too personally.

Like I said, that's just what I heard. I don't remember where I read it, and I'm not gonna go looking for it because I really don't give a shit. All I know is it sounded reasonable to me at the time. I'm just sharing information in a thread that was asking for it. All I know is I have nothing to gain. Can you say the same?

 

[codyn]

That was a sarcastic remark as you seem to be taking my comments a little too personally.

Like I said, that's just what I heard. I don't remember where I read it, and I'm not gonna go looking for it because I really don't give a shit. All I know is it sounded reasonable to me at the time. I'm just sharing information in a thread that was asking for it. All I know is I have nothing to gain. Can you say the same?

i have nothing to gain from anything but helping someone out but if you think i do then ok

 

[JoshH]

i have nothing to gain from anything but helping someone out but if you think i do then ok

forged pistion will do fine. any cast pistion will crack no matter what you do to them. forged won't crack and last longer then a cast. and they are around $2000 or less

Okay

 

[slowlmm]

That was a sarcastic remark as you seem to be taking my comments a little too personally.

Like I said, that's just what I heard. I don't remember where I read it, and I'm not gonna go looking for it because I really don't give a shit. All I know is it sounded reasonable to me at the time. I'm just sharing information in a thread that was asking for it. All I know is I have nothing to gain. Can you say the same?

josh i would like to seee the info if you can find it as it would help me make some decesions and help others out as well.
Thanks Tommy

 

[McRat]

We have melted pistons, and forged ain't going to fix that.

I donated $400 to Nasty Girl to attempt to get a forged piston test last year, but it didn't happen.

Most the Dodge max-effort engines are running forged, and they have been at it much longer than us.

We are going to put forged pistons in the next engine we build and see what's up.

But for right now, it's a crap shoot. Not enough data. There was ONE 7.3 Ford who ran forged pistons for 20,000 miles and it croaked, and that's what many of the "experts" point to.

But let's get back to reality: You are going to break your engine. Question ain't IF, it's WHEN. The higher you turn up, the shorter the life gets. Many race engines are rebuilt constantly, which is not practical for a daily driver. If you want long life, you need to ask yourself how much power you are willing trade for it.

 

[Gasuout]

But let's get back to reality: You are going to break your engine. Question ain't IF, it's WHEN. The higher you turn up, the shorter the life gets. Many race engines are rebuilt constantly, which is not practical for a daily driver. If you want long life, you need to ask yourself how much power you are willing trade for it.

Exactly .

 

[MMLMM]

If you want long life, you need to ask yourself how much power you are willing trade for it.

X2.

This is the biggest point that many seem to not understand. Everything has a breaking point and if you dont belive that, send whatever it is to me for 15 to 20 minutes and I'll proove you wrong

 

[juddski88]

We have melted pistons, and forged ain't going to fix that.

I donated $400 to Nasty Girl to attempt to get a forged piston test last year, but it didn't happen.

Most the Dodge max-effort engines are running forged, and they have been at it much longer than us.

We are going to put forged pistons in the next engine we build and see what's up.

But for right now, it's a crap shoot. Not enough data. There was ONE 7.3 Ford who ran forged pistons for 20,000 miles and it croaked, and that's what many of the "experts" point to.

But let's get back to reality: You are going to break your engine. Question ain't IF, it's WHEN. The higher you turn up, the shorter the life gets. Many race engines are rebuilt constantly, which is not practical for a daily driver. If you want long life, you need to ask yourself how much power you are willing trade for it.

What kind of test......what didn't happen? not trying to stir the pot...just wondering what a real test would entail??

 

[JoshH]

josh i would like to seee the info if you can find it as it would help me make some decesions and help others out as well.
Thanks Tommy

Here you go. I couldn't search DP from work, but here's the post:

I'm making general statements to help the discussion along. I'm sorry you don't approve.

Dealing in absolutes doesn't leave room for anybody else's opinions that may differ from your own.

The Keystone ring package/iron inserted piston is great at keeping the ring from sticking in the land from soot build up and/or excessive heat at the piston crown, two things that are very evident in a Diesel engine.

Today's common rail motors have far less soot deposits than the diesels of yesterday, so previous experiences with "gasoline type ring packages" from any 7.3L or 5.9L engines are not necessarily applicable in this case.

Ceramically coat the top of the piston to keep the heat out of the top of a forged piston and I believe we could get a "gasoline type ring package" to work just fine.
In fact there may some that are already doing it that way.........................

Here's the link to the thread: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114322

And here's a link to the quoted post: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1404262&postcount=94

I hope that helps.

 

[codyn]

We have melted pistons, and forged ain't going to fix that.

I donated $400 to Nasty Girl to attempt to get a forged piston test last year, but it didn't happen.

Most the Dodge max-effort engines are running forged, and they have been at it much longer than us.

We are going to put forged pistons in the next engine we build and see what's up.

But for right now, it's a crap shoot. Not enough data. There was ONE 7.3 Ford who ran forged pistons for 20,000 miles and it croaked, and that's what many of the "experts" point to.

But let's get back to reality: You are going to break your engine. Question ain't IF, it's WHEN. The higher you turn up, the shorter the life gets. Many race engines are rebuilt constantly, which is not practical for a daily driver. If you want long life, you need to ask yourself how much power you are willing trade for it.

you are right nice post but the heat is an issue that going to be hard but water injection will help it thats what the max effort dodge were running to keep egt down. does a ford really count

 

[Gasuout]

Stock pistons cut lip . This seems to be the best piston to use as of the moment for daily driving and racing combined .

Billet is still much more for racing only .

Im sure in years to come something will be available better for both conditions .

But until then ...... Built it and go for it !!