what other steering parts do I need

WVRigrat05

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So as luck would have it, I was the first diesel to run this morning at ts. I came off the line at 20 our so pounds of boost and the truck went everywhere but straight. The centerlink is horseshoed and the idler bracket is very slightly bent
I'm ordering a straight centerlink. What else Ann i gonna need besides a gusseted home built idler bracket?
 

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^^^^^^if you get the package in this link^^^^^^ you won't need anything else:cool:

It will be a night and day difference, the truck will steer so much better in every way and feel more connected to the road.

However, it won't correct the issues common to c/v axles being at an angle, if your torsion bars are set for tire clearance you will still experience some nasty things at the track, or whenever doing a 4x4 boosted launch, you want those c/v axles to be completely level or even slightly negative to keep the front end of the truck from bouncing and pointed straight down the track. I have noticed even if the torsion bars are slightly turned up, (on my truck for me) the drivers side tire bounces violently and/or the truck wants to pull to the left. I have the best launches when the torsion bar adjustment bolts are completely out, the cal tracks have about two turns of load applied and I put about 20psi in my air bags, but the most significant of these is having the t-bar bolts removed, the rest just keeps the rear set in place and helps with weight transfer:thumb:
 

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Why do you need to launch a truck with a stock turbo at 20psi?? no more than 15 on my LBZ and Lb7 with stock turbos was smooth.
 

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My leveling kit bolts were buried. It was bad

Yeah, mine were like that and the first boosted launch I did on a built trans tune in the race file, I snapped a cv:D it would launch in the street tune, but it was ugly and inefficient, I have a tight converter, and this was only at 12psi
 

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Didn't think it had enough ass to bend anything. Haven't did a launch since the build. But there's Theresa not much difference in power just torque. So now it's time to make it stout
 
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WVRigrat05

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I think I'll put a lift on and lower it to have straight angles. or 33's and some ground. Pisses me off I can't leave it where it is. The motor is def. stout though. everything I've ran on the street I've ate, with the exception of one dmax, but It had alot of shit going on.
I gotta make my mind up wheather to lower it or put a lowered lift on, and get this front end stuff straightened out, had no idea this was gonna happen.
I got it aligned just to get around franklin and bowling green and then home to WV, seems to be good to go till I get some parts in and the welder fired up.
 

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This is a time when I can say been there done that. I had pretty much the same issues you are having, and my truck was probably set up very similar to yours at the time as well, so I lifted my truck....

I lifted my truck, for several reasons.

1) I couldn't get into my garage If I lowered it, I have one of the most ridiculous driveways known to man
2) I tow a lot and have become very partial to a particular tire size, and to run said tire and keep angles in check and the steering parts happy, a lift was necessary
3) I live in the Pacific Northwest, it's a mountainous area, and I like to go off road, and I drive my truck every day
4) I have owned several of the gmt 800's, and always wanted a mild lift, I think they just look cool

Now with all that said, IN MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION, if you wanna race and do it in 4x4 doing boosted launches, and rippin down the 1320 every weekend, don't lift your truck....TRIM FENDERS, USE DIFFERENT TIRES FOR 1/4 mile duty, but don't lift it

Maybe/probably there are better lifts/lift systems for racing than what I used, I thought I was getting the best of the best, and while I am happy with the ride, turning radius, look and quality, it does not perform as I anticipated it to for 1/4 mile duty. I bet it will do splendidly in sled pulling. When in 4x4 it does awesome, for normal duty 4x4 driving, I have had the truck drifting down logging roads at "extreme" speeds and loved it, it's fine for continuous 4x4 driving on the highway at speed, BUT, for W.O.T runs in racing type conditions I don't believe the 4x4 driveline utilized in my kit was intended for Racing. It gets a vibration at about 65-80mph and it feels like a lot of energy is being wasted instead of transferred, however, it only feels like this while under "extreme" load, in a racing type scenario, every other venue the lift is flawless, but I don't like how it feels for the 1/4...

Am I bummed....a little, I didn't expect this, but, looking at it for what it is, now looking back, I should've. Thankfully I don't have a racing hobby, I have always intended on building a truck/this truck, that could/would be considered the ultimate daily driver street/tow machine, that had better off road capabilities than stock and much much more power, that could stomp any (well almost any) dodge or ford that decided to have a go. Have I accomplished that, mmm, pretty much, still haven't reached my power goals, but it's getting there. Overall I love my truck, and I am pretty satisfied with the decisions I have made, and I am VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE MEMBERS OF DURAMAXDIESELS FOR ALL THE HELP AND GUIDEANCE:hug:

Could my build have used different parts and been about as good for less cost, sure, but I had path I intended to take and, for the most part have followed it.

If I lived in a less hilly/mountainous area, where it was sunny most the year, and I didn't have to ford flood water to get home sometimes, didn't tow, and planned to bracket race or race just for fun just trying to get faster and faster, if racing was my hobby, I would lower my truck and ditch as much weight as possible.

So pick your goals/desires carefully at this point, choose your parts wisely, maybe I didn't, I thought I did. But who really builds a lifted race truck anyways;)

I used a cognito 4-6" kit and have it set at 4". When I remove the t-bar bolts it sits about 3 3/4" and the c/v angles are perfect for drag racing and it works fine, all but the high speed high stress vibration that happens only about the 1/8th mile point at 80mph or so, maybe the driveline just needs to be balanced better, but I think it has more to do with the angle compensation of the driveline and the u joints, and the fact it more than likely was never intended for full blown racing conditions

:2cents:

Good luck, and take your time:angel:
 
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Wait a sec.....you have a "leveling kit" installed and didnt have your bars lowered? There's your whole problem in a nutshell.

x2 on why you feel the need to launch at such a high psi on a stock turbo. What rpm?
 

WVRigrat05

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Wait a sec.....you have a "leveling kit" installed and didnt have your bars lowered? There's your whole problem in a nutshell.

x2 on why you feel the need to launch at such a high psi on a stock turbo. What rpm?

Well honestly I haven't done a lot of launches, I did one a while ago like last yr sometime and it was at 8 psi, the truck jerked some but spun alot so it took most of the jerk out, so I THOUGHT the same out come would happen yesterday.
I actually thought about lowering the t bars while I sat in the staging lane but they were in a rush wanting to get the S-10's run, Had I have known I was gonna sit so long I would have plus i was worried about the 35's rubbing horribly.
But the main reasone for the boost and the 4x4 lauch was I had never been to a diesel drag to see others run, wasnt sure what mine was gonna do take off wise with spinning, and the truck beside me was a 11 sec. truck, so I got kinda itchy and nervous and didnt really pay attn. I just held the brake and mashed the throttle til the light turned green.
 

WVRigrat05

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Did 15 lb. boosted launch today with straight centerlink and new pitman arm, didn't lower the front end, it launched like sex. Wish I did a centerlink with the rest of the shit, but now with new tuning and a "happy" liftpump trucks like a different one again. The front end drags a tad but steers like a champ didnt loose any radius like ppl say, (maybe mine was short all along) lol.