Help: Warrantee?

John Noonan

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Long story real short..:rofl: Is a long story ever short..;)

03 6.6 Duramax, stock as stock.
66,000+ miles
Been in for the seat belt, and tail gate cables "recall"
Been to the dealer and to a local station for oil and filter changes every 3,500-5,000 miles
Truck is perfect condition bodywise, tires, interior ect
My girlfriend Michelle is the owner and just paid it off (go figure, now the problems start) When she bought the truck we were told by the salesman that the truck came with the standard 36K/5 year warantee so we were "sold" on a new extended warrantee that would cover everything for 10 years/100K for $ 1,225.00 Now after it started smoking at idle and when under load we took it to the dealer and "mentioned" to the service writer while we had it in for another oil/filter/lube that the truck smokes, this were told might be injectors however "don't worry" as there is a recall and if needed Chevrolet will take care of it.

I take the truck to Utah to race and while running about 70mph the truck seems to fall out of gear and now won't run over about 50-54mph and the check engine? light is now on..I nurse it a few hundred miles until I had cell phone coverage and call Michelle (owner of the truck) and she then calls Chevy. She is told that unless the light is flashing to keep driving it.

I pull over at the next town and check fluids, fill the tank, check electrical connections and start out on my way, the truck continues to run the same so I pull over and unplug the two main harness plugs under the hood and also unhook both batteries.

After an ice cream I hook up both plugs and then the batteries and "voila" the check engine light is out and the truck is back to running normal speeds...

After getting to my destination the check engine light comes on however now the truck runs faster than 50-54 it will run about 70+ however I have no load on the truck and am not going up a grade.

I return from my trip "cruising 70" with the check engine light on and take the truck right to the dealer and in the meanwhile I search the net for possible problems regarding the loss of power and check engine light and see that there is a possible problem with the Nuetral Safety Backup Switch

I mention that to the service writer and he later thanks us and confirms that is the problem and charges us the $ 100.00 dollar deductable for our extended warrantee. When I took the truck in he said is was most likely the ignition switch?

Fast forward a few days, I am now back on another 2k round trip to race and at about the same place the check engine again comes on however this time the truck will run decent up to 75mph so I continue on and reach my destination (Wendover Utah) after a day or so the light stays off however I am treating the truck like it is on empty and the next fuel station is 50 miles away.

I again return from my trip with the check engine light returning and upon taking it to the dealer I borrow/rent and OBD11 ? reader and write down the codes prior to taking it to the dealer, once at the dealer the service writer has a tech come ut and read the codes and tells me it will be new injectors however since it was just in we won't have to pay the $ 100.00 deductable.

He then runs all info through the mighty computer and assigns me a free rental car/truck for a week as it will take that long to get the parts and complete the warrantee service, I then get a call from the service writer that the extended warrantee ran out prior to me bringing the truck in for the replacement of the NSBS and that since I paid $ 100.00 then I still owe $198.00 for the difference...

Same day Michelle calls the dealer and is now told that we can keep the rental if we like however we will have to pay anything past 2 days since we are no longer covered..I look at the original paperwork and sure enough they did not add-on 5 years to the existing Chevy warrantee they only added 24 months and stated 100K for miles covered which-ever comes first.

We took the rental back last night and was now informed that the truck also needs the Injection pump replaced for an additional $ 1,284.00 this price included a $ 392.00 labor discout (half) since most of the needed parts were already coming off to replace the faulty injectors.

The service writer told me "don't worry about the injectors we will cover it" since we said we would and it's already here and coming apart (like he was doing us a favor) and I politely informed him that Chevy has an on-going problem with the injectors and it was GMC/Chevy that was taking care of it since it is in a TSB and a known problem. He agreed and proceeded to "inform" me that Chevy may take care of the pump at there cost however he cannot further the issue.

So what we are seeking is information regarding how to get Michelle's truck repaired and have the manufacturer take care of it since we see that this is relatively common with the Duramax owners.

We had been under the understanding that we were covered however it seems like the salesman was a better magician..:confused:

Any thoughts?

John and Michelle

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PS, where be the spell checker..?:feedback:
 

NelsonDiesel

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that was a lot of reading


Your injection pump and engine related concerns are covered under the 5 year 100k warranty with a $100 deductible.

your injectors are covered for 7 years 200k miles with NO DEDUCTIBLE.


Hit me up when you have any more warranty concerns - I am a dealer tech :D
 

John Noonan

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Sep 24, 2008
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that was a lot of reading


Your injection pump and engine related concerns are covered under the 5 year 100k warranty with a $100 deductible.

your injectors are covered for 7 years 200k miles with NO DEDUCTIBLE.


Hit me up when you have any more warranty concerns - I am a dealer tech :D


I may have not posted enough info...:rolleyes:

However the dealer wants us to pay for a problem that could have occured prior to the Warrantee in May, funny thing is that the papaerwork (receipt) from the dealer keeps showing us that we have a warrantee with a $ 100.00 deductable...

Now what..Delillo Chevrolet...

Johnwhodoesnotwanttospend$ 1,284.00foranewpumpthatmayhavebeengoingoutalreadyormaynotevenbebad?
 

NelsonDiesel

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I may have not posted enough info...:rolleyes:

However the dealer wants us to pay for a problem that could have occured prior to the Warrantee in May, funny thing is that the papaerwork (receipt) from the dealer keeps showing us that we have a warrantee with a $ 100.00 deductable...

Now what..Delillo Chevrolet...

Johnwhodoesnotwanttospend$ 1,284.00foranewpumpthatmayhavebeengoingoutalreadyormaynotevenbebad?

hmmm i almost went to go work for delillo chevrolet.

i have nothing bad to say about them. As far as i know they have competent guys there.

If they say you have a bad pump i think it would be safe to say you have a bad pump.

However the pump is covered under 5 year 100k miles so as long as you are under that then it is $100 gm warranty.

Now if you bought an extended warranty and the dealer says no, you need to call your extended warranty and get more info.
 

John Noonan

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Sep 24, 2008
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Thanks for the quick reply:

Regarding the warrantee, the way it was presented we would be covered for 10 years or 100k miles however after lQQking at the paperwork we paid $ 1,225.00 for two year extended coverage above and beyond the factory 36K 5 year plan.:(

What is the OEM warrantee good for with regard to coverage of the pump?
After we took it in they had a tech come out right then while the truck was in the "waiting area" with his tester and he confirmed that it was the injectors, we were then were notified that we would receive a free rental car (code WGMPP) (Warrantee GM Protection Plan) and it would be atleast a week however in time for my next trip to Utah in two weeks.

Then yesterday we are informed that the warrantee is no longer in service and they happend to find that they believe the injection pump "may" be on the way out as well and we should replace it at the same time as we would save $ 392.00 from the normal labor cost.

We were also then told to either pay for the rental or bring it back as the car would not be covered since the truck is no longer under warrantee...however when I "Google" these type of problems I see that GM will pay for a replacement vehicle while the injectors are being replaced.

Wen the truck was brought in I mention that the fuel gauge is not working correctly and the service writer acts like he has never heard of this and proceeds to tell me I would have to pay to diagnose and repair the problem...I then find that there was a a letter sent to all covered customers that said it would be taken care of by GM/Chevy for the covered vehicles which ours should be according to their own notices.

Here is the actual line from the repair order as we received it Monday: # A 400 W94 OSTS sheck engine perf in ses light on runs hard, ses light on smokes


Heeeeelllllpppppp.

Thanks,

J
 

John Noonan

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I forgot to mention when I went today to remove a camera and phone from the truck the "tech" informed me he was not 100% sure that was the problem however he had done one in the past and after not doing the pump it then required one and the customer then had to spend the extra $ 400.00 for labor..however after speaking with another person with the same truck he told me he went through the same thing however it was the regulator and not the pump...big difference..
 

NelsonDiesel

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gmpp will cover a rental but regular warranty above 36k will not. This is my experience in what i saw at the dealer.

do the injectors and see how it is after that.

bad injectors will make it look like you have a bad pump.

Regulators are common...

Both are easily checked out through the tech 2 by ramping up the fuel pressure and then graphing.


Please send me your vin and i will look it up.
 

McRat

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Thoughts:

Sounds like you might be past the 5 years of the "100k/5yr" Duramax warranty, depending on your purchase date, this might be what they are referring to.

While CP3 (injection pump) failures and regulator failures are well known on LB7's, normally they happen after 100k mi. Parts seem a bit brutal, I thought the CP3 pump was about $900 exchange at the dealer. If you've ever had a problem with gas in the fuel before, the life goes down alot though.

What you probably ran into was "limp mode". When the computer sees engine trouble, often it will cap the RPM to 2000 and turn on the CEL. This can be programmed out, so the CEL still comes on, but the "limp" doesn't happen. Not by your dealer though, by the hot rod guys, we use something called EFILive that can alter the factory programming and read CEL's and reset them, as well as collect and view real-time engine data to help you see exactly what the engine is up to.

You should invest in a $39 Autozone code reader so you can get the exact CEL code. This will tell alot, there are hundreds of very specific codes that can help you determine if your leg is being pulled.

You need to find the warranty paper and call them and find out what's up. Some ext warrantees are next to useless, others are pretty good, depends on the company.
 

NelsonDiesel

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Thoughts:

Sounds like you might be past the 5 years of the "100k/5yr" Duramax warranty, depending on your purchase date, this might be what they are referring to.

While CP3 (injection pump) failures and regulator failures are well known on LB7's, normally they happen after 100k mi. Parts seem a bit brutal, I thought the CP3 pump was about $900 exchange at the dealer. If you've ever had a problem with gas in the fuel before, the life goes down alot though.

What you probably ran into was "limp mode". When the computer sees engine trouble, often it will cap the RPM to 2000 and turn on the CEL. This can be programmed out, so the CEL still comes on, but the "limp" doesn't happen. Not by your dealer though, by the hot rod guys, we use something called EFILive that can alter the factory programming and read CEL's and reset them, as well as collect and view real-time engine data to help you see exactly what the engine is up to.

You should invest in a $39 Autozone code reader so you can get the exact CEL code. This will tell alot, there are hundreds of very specific codes that can help you determine if your leg is being pulled.

You need to find the warranty paper and call them and find out what's up. Some ext warrantees are next to useless, others are pretty good, depends on the company.

Yes, i agree.



I looked up the vin. unfortunatly they got you on the 5 year 100k warranty. Most would assume that means 5 years AFTER the regular warranty. Nope... starts at time of purchase. So ina sense you are paying for your initial 3 year 36k warranty at the same time...

I try to tell people to wait till 35k to buy the warranty for this exact reason.

There should be something against this type of deal. Only GMPP wins on that !

anyway, unfortunatly you are out by time on your injection pump.
 

John Noonan

Land Speed bike racer
Sep 24, 2008
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Huntington Beach Cal.
Thoughts:

Sounds like you might be past the 5 years of the "100k/5yr" Duramax warranty, depending on your purchase date, this might be what they are referring to.

While CP3 (injection pump) failures and regulator failures are well known on LB7's, normally they happen after 100k mi. Parts seem a bit brutal, I thought the CP3 pump was about $900 exchange at the dealer. If you've ever had a problem with gas in the fuel before, the life goes down alot though.

What you probably ran into was "limp mode". When the computer sees engine trouble, often it will cap the RPM to 2000 and turn on the CEL. This can be programmed out, so the CEL still comes on, but the "limp" doesn't happen. Not by your dealer though, by the hot rod guys, we use something called EFILive that can alter the factory programming and read CEL's and reset them, as well as collect and view real-time engine data to help you see exactly what the engine is up to.

You should invest in a $39 Autozone code reader so you can get the exact CEL code. This will tell alot, there are hundreds of very specific codes that can help you determine if your leg is being pulled.

You need to find the warranty paper and call them and find out what's up. Some ext warrantees are next to useless, others are pretty good, depends on the company.

First thanks for the great play by play from Bonneville today!!

Regarding the extended warrantee, the "salesman" informed us at the time of sale it was for 10 years or 100K bumper to bumper and would take place after our factory 36K five year warrantee ran out with a $100 deductable..what we took that to mean was that we had either a total of 10 years or 100K whichever came first and the extended warantee would start after either 36K mileage or 60 months occurred..

I rented an OBD11 ? reader while in Wendover ($ 30.00) to read the existing codes at that time and when I got back that was how I was able to inform the local dealer what the problems may be the first time.

The sad thing is that Michelle and I have taken the truck in to the dealer atleast twice for the normal oil/lube and filter and mentioned verbaly about the mileage being a bit low along with the abnormal smoking and it was not recorded in the computer and the service writer even stated today he remembers it however it is not "on file" however he stated to "call GM and see what they will do"

What next...:driving:

Here is a picture of our 209mph 27 rear engined roadster ..:rockon:

Powered with a stock bore Hayabusa engine with a small GT35R turbo...:rofl:

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NelsonDiesel

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"The sad thing is that Michelle and I have taken the truck in to the dealer atleast twice for the normal oil/lube and filter and mentioned verbaly about the mileage being a bit low along with the abnormal smoking and it was not recorded in the computer and the service writer even stated today he remembers it however it is not "on file" however he stated to "call GM and see what they will do""




It sucks that you had complained of the problem before the warranty went out and they did not tend to your needs. You could give gm a call in hopes that they do a goodwill warranty for the pump....

Sorry to hear about that.
 
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McRat

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Strange thought.

Why put in another LB7 pump if you are out of warranty? Plug in an LBZ pump (the electric connector is the same, but you must move stuff around a little, since it's at a 90deg angle instead of straight) which is a new design and capable of more HP should you decide later that you want to turn it up. Another option is to put a ported LB7 regular in right now, which will also increase max fueling.

Keep in mind that I'm not sane. I have both new LBZ pumps and LB7 ported regulators. Should you chose to turn up the engine, you can get another 20-50HP.