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oval bowls are not the issue. you might get knocking from them but any smoke, knock, general differences from reg pistons BESIDES mpg can be adjusted and cleaned up. And even mpg cna be midigated with some other changes. cam might be an issue but only if the converter doesnt match it and its only going to be an issue when you get into the throttle decently before spool up has happened. i dont know where socal rates the rpm band of the stg 2 cam but the higher flowing heads should only help promote boost to come in faster. BUT if the cam is meant for more RPM, it will negate what the heads supply down low.

rail pressure can definitely be an issue here. i wouldnt rule out the FPRV, they can trail off with a weak spring.

i didnt go through your logs but do you have one specifically where the smoke is happening as you drive through town? WOT wont help much as thats not what your main concern is, correct?

vane position and fueling make up a huge part of smoke down low on your setup. it can be extremely picky on getting it right. Steve fought hard on an LBZ i built an engine for. it had stock cam but oval pistons, 60% over injectors, Danville 68, Precision ML converter, and bunch of other stuff. It was a fine line between too smokey but quick spool up and no smoke but laggy as hell. Alot was contributed to the 60% over tips put on stock bodies but the tips were used and injectors had 200k on them. Getting the vane position on the turbo was a bit of a fight as well because it didnt follow stock positions by any means. Steve talked with mark a few times and got a better game plan together that helped get it sorted out.

At the end of the day, you really gotta have someone sit in it and tune it. remote is only going to get you so close.
His truck is dropping ~9k rail on a big file
 

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His truck is dropping ~9k rail on a big file

Yes it is but in the beginning, he’s talking about it smoking under light throttle around town. Even if you command max rail, uS will be so low it should not drop rail pressure like WOT will. If it was, he’d be seeing an even larger drop at WOT.

In either case, the injectors could be the cause of rail pressure drop as well
 
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Yes it is but in the beginning, he’s talking about it smoking under light throttle around town. Even if you command max rail, uS will be so low it should not drop rail pressure like WOT will. If it was, he’d be seeing an even larger drop at WOT.

In either case, the injectors could be the cause of rail pressure drop as well
Touché, sad part is at even 1100us it’s 4-5k low.


The truck, sadly, I think needs to have some experienced hands on it. There is something wrong overall. The response rate/rate of RPM increase is real low for that combo (63/480, ~100% inj, dual stock pumps, built trans w/Goerend R) that either it’s not following desired vpos (and if anyone knows the ideal curve for that charger it’s Mark) or there is a major mechanical issue.
 

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Does the Danville turbo have high flow vanes? I just recently discovered that they don't like much vane position, and they are very laggy and smokey if they are closed too much.
 

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i dont think this has been in marks hands yet, just remote tuning. the vanes can be light switchy so its going to take someone in the seat to dial it in. Otherwise you need a go pro recording exhaust output while you sync it straight with the log so you can see exactly when and where it starts smoking, how bad and what to tweak
 

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i dont think this has been in marks hands yet, just remote tuning. the vanes can be light switchy so its going to take someone in the seat to dial it in. Otherwise you need a go pro recording exhaust output while you sync it straight with the log so you can see exactly when and where it starts smoking, how bad and what to tweak

The other hard part is the OP wants an unlocked tune which no tuner these days will do (and I wouldn't either). I still think the OP could benefit by slamming in a bone stock GM file (without any mods beyond MAF scaling) to see what it does. Then he can mess with his dual tank stuff from there.
 

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The other hard part is the OP wants an unlocked tune which no tuner these days will do (and I wouldn't either). I still think the OP could benefit by slamming in a bone stock GM file (without any mods beyond MAF scaling) to see what it does. Then he can mess with his dual tank stuff from there.
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Talking about the unlocked tunes, not the tuners. Mine aren’t locked, but I’m no good.
I've only sold one tune. I don't consider myself good enough either so I won't advertise or promote doing it. it was only a favor for someone who got subpar tunes from a "pro" tuner. relatively simple tune but he was happier with the way it performed. adjusted the shift ponts too. left it unlocked, nothing to hide.

not a business for me and not relaying on the income so don't care if someone gets ahold of the tune and copies it
 
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Touché, sad part is at even 1100us it’s 4-5k low.


The truck, sadly, I think needs to have some experienced hands on it. There is something wrong overall. The response rate/rate of RPM increase is real low for that combo (63/480, ~100% inj, dual stock pumps, built trans w/Goerend R) that either it’s not following desired vpos (and if anyone knows the ideal curve for that charger it’s Mark) or there is a major mechanical issue.
ITS at a so called pro shop now here in american fork utah.. some "LABS" you can figure out the rest.. begging SL diesel after going 2 hour one way to help out on a truck for 3 weekends in a row and getting the pay no mind I wasent going that direction.... Injectors were sent to Gillete diesel here in utah and balanced. they flowed something like 67 % over stock..can we PLEASE put the its the injectors to bed? Its not.... =) Mark has sent well over 8 revisions each getting less and less power untill it would need get itself over a 3 inch curb... I cant get any phone time even after spending good money on parts and tuning. I give you my money you send me some locked file and Im just left to deal with it.. the truck should ROAST the tires for blocks. 456 gears on 37s dont stand a chance....
This tuner stated the tune file is whats causing the fuel pressure drop.. its because it has a cab chassis tune and they are weird he said.. worked perfectly fine when I tuned it in the stock config using starlites class room book...

I just gave the shop a deadline of wed to get it right or im pulling it out. cant tane a month to tune a fucking truck... If you know your shit.. and Im tired of all the tuners bashing each other . theyve all fixed each others tuunes blah blah blah. and none can fix this truck lol
What kind of lift pump is on the truck? Maybe it isn't keeping up to duals and big sticks.
I think 2 bosch reman cp3s will keep up..
Does the Danville turbo have high flow vanes? I just recently discovered that they don't like much vane position, and they are very laggy and smokey if they are closed too much.
Yes it has billet vanes. any chance you wanna lend me a hand on this? not looking for free anything..
The other hard part is the OP wants an unlocked tune which no tuner these days will do (and I wouldn't either). I still think the OP could benefit by slamming in a bone stock GM file (without any mods beyond MAF scaling) to see what it does. Then he can mess with his dual tank stuff from there.
Been there done that stock tune smokes idling down the road too and makes shit for power. about as much as Broviaks full tilt tune.
 

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ITS at a so called pro shop now here in american fork utah.. some "LABS" you can figure out the rest.. begging SL diesel after going 2 hour one way to help out on a truck for 3 weekends in a row and getting the pay no mind I wasent going that direction.... Injectors were sent to Gillete diesel here in utah and balanced. they flowed something like 67 % over stock..can we PLEASE put the its the injectors to bed? Its not.... =) Mark has sent well over 8 revisions each getting less and less power untill it would need get itself over a 3 inch curb... I cant get any phone time even after spending good money on parts and tuning. I give you my money you send me some locked file and Im just left to deal with it.. the truck should ROAST the tires for blocks. 456 gears on 37s dont stand a chance....
This tuner stated the tune file is whats causing the fuel pressure drop.. its because it has a cab chassis tune and they are weird he said.. worked perfectly fine when I tuned it in the stock config using starlites class room book...
I didn't mention injectors one bit in the post you're replying to. My statement is the truck is dropping rail like a MOFO. It's not even close on rail. The truck also has an anemic rise of RPM, makes shit for boost etc.

The fact remains the truck has major mechanical issues. What those are I have no clue. Have you ensured the relief valve/plug isn't leaking at idle or as pressure increases by doing say a bottle test?

Been there done that stock tune smokes idling down the road too and makes shit for power. about as much as Broviaks full tilt tune.
And you put in a bone stock GM pickup tune correct? If your MAF scaling is right it shouldn't smoke a ton (IE 35-40g/s at idle area) and should make somewhat OK power but not drop a pile of rail.

I understand you're frustrated and have a swap that is not common but you've gotta start with the basics. Don't step over a dollar to pick up a dime.
 

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oval bowls are not the issue. you might get knocking from them but any smoke, knock, general differences from reg pistons BESIDES mpg can be adjusted and cleaned up. And even mpg cna be mitigated with some other changes. cam might be an issue but only if the converter doesnt match it and its only going to be an issue when you get into the throttle decently before spool up has happened. i dont know where socal rates the rpm band of the stg 2 cam but the higher flowing heads should only help promote boost to come in faster. BUT if the cam is meant for more RPM, it will negate what the heads supply down low.

rail pressure can definitely be an issue here. i wouldn't rule out the FPRV, they can trail off with a weak spring.

I didnt go through your logs but do you have one specifically where the smoke is happening as you drive through town? WOT wont help much as that's not what your main concern is, correct?

vane position and fueling make up a huge part of smoke down low on your setup. it can be extremely picky on getting it right. Steve fought hard on an LBZ i built an engine for. it had stock cam but oval pistons, 60% over injectors, Danville 68, Precision ML converter, and bunch of other stuff. It was a fine line between too smokey but quick spool up and no smoke but laggy as hell. Alot was contributed to the 60% over tips put on stock bodies but the tips were used and injectors had 200k on them. Getting the vane position on the turbo was a bit of a fight as well because it didnt follow stock positions by any means. Steve talked with mark a few times and got a better game plan together that helped get it sorted out.

At the end of the day, you really gotta have someone sit in it and tune it. remote is only going to get you so close.
I am very grateful to everyone that has responded even though I act like a fucking two year old . lol

Chevy... I can logg anything you want. I cant get the truck to anyone to tune it. Nobody here in utah That I can find.. well the guy I did is stringing me along now for about a month....and hes charging me 800 for ecm only. (Mr we fix starlites tunes all the time) lol...yes I put used nozzles that were supposedly tested on used injectors. after getting so much shit from everyone around me And running across some money I bought Bosch remans..


Anyone want to HALP I can b reached @ 405 824 8367 cell.
Ken
 

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Yes it has billet vanes. any chance you wanna lend me a hand on this? not looking for free anything..
The information I provided about the vanes is about as much tuning help as I can provide without tuning it myself. If you want to haul it to Texas and leave it with me for a week or two, I'll be happy to see what I can come up with. If you aren't happy with it, I'll flash in any other file you have and not charge you anything, but I don't do remote tuning.
 
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