Refreshing a built tranny? What's needed

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First question where to get clutches? What usually needs to be replaced when refreshing one. Seems that the normal 3-4 upshift is where I need to be concerned with first off because of the flare. I have a good friend that's a diesel machanic and has done many allisons but only back to stock. Since it's modded already what should he have to change/look for? Please add anything I have missed or comment.
 

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Get some new clutches and check the clearances. You can probably get some clutches from Mike L.

If the clutches are coming apart, you may want to disassemble and clean the pump and valve body. Otherwise, there shouldn't be much need to go into it unless you want to check what was done previously.
 

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What clutches are normally wore on a refresh? Which clutches does mike carry? Would look up his website but......

Call Mike, he will hook you up with everything.. I would venture to guess C3's and C1's would be the most likely to show wear BUT,, I am far from a transmission expert ;):D
 

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Untill you tear it down you won't know what you need. C3/C2 clutches are a given. Rubber molded pistons should be checked for bore tightness.
 

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Mike Bodine builds some tough trannys. He builds the trannys that Troy Wakeman runs in his pulling truck and we all know the hell they must go through in that wiked sumbitch. I am pretty sure he will make it right if you talk to him.
 

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It must be the combination of me racing on the weekends and pulling a trailor during the week. I would feel a lil easier if the trans was refreshed for the year. And we have talked already about what would help the trans last longer. I've always asked alot of questions anyway.
 

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It must be the combination of me racing on the weekends and pulling a trailor during the week. I would feel a lil easier if the trans was refreshed for the year. And we have talked already about what would help the trans last longer. I've always asked alot of questions anyway.
The transmission control module (TCM) produces excellent shift quality by applying closed loop control that constantly adjusts shift characteristics for changes in operating conditions. These adjustments are based on vehicle conditions, such as grade, load, and engine power.

The learning process of comparing and adjusting shift parameters is referred to as adaptive control. Adaptive control establishes initial conditions for shifts and makes during shift adjustments. The TCM constantly monitors operating conditions, such as battery voltage and transmission sump temperature, and adjusts shift parameters accordingly. After a shift is completed, the TCM compares the shift to a target shift profile in the TCM calibration and makes adjustments before the next shift of the same kind is made.

The Allison 1000 Series transmission utilizes clutch-to-clutch shift control to achieve range changes. In every case, except shifts to or from NEUTRAL, 1 clutch is exhausted and another applied in order to make a range shift. The hand-off between exhausting and applying clutches is precisely controlled by the use of 2 pressure control solenoids (PCS). These solenoids are labeled PCS1 and PCS2 in the transmission. For example, to make a 1-2 shift, PCS1 is used to trim pressure off the low and reverse clutch, and PCS2 is used to trim pressure on the 2-6 clutch. The TCM modulates the current to both PCS1 and PCS2, which translates to a proportional level of pressure to the clutch. In order to make a shift, the TCM uses software and calibration settings of several program parameters in order to determine the level of current sent to the respective PCS. These parameters are referred to as adaptive values. With a new transmission and TCM calibration, the adaptive values are set to base calibration level. The transmission uses the base calibration to perform the first of each type of shift. However, once the transmission has performed a shift, the TCM evaluates the actual shift and compares it to an ideal shift in the TCM memory. Based on that comparison, the TCM changes the settings of the adaptive values to a level that it believes will result in a shift closer to the ideal shift the next time it makes that type of shift. This is referred to as adaptive shifting. When the transmission/TCM calibration is new, the TCM is in fast adaptive mode. The TCM is allowed to make large changes in the adaptive values after each shift. Once the TCM determines that a given shift is close to the ideal level, it switches to slow adaptive mode. In slow adaptive, the TCM still is evaluating shifts and changing adaptive values, but is only allowed to do so in smaller increments. When a shift switches from fast to slow adaptive mode, it is described as converged. The TCM is programmed in order to switch from fast to slow adaptive mode in as many as 15-20 shifts. It is important to understand that there are many different distinct shifts recognized by the TCM, and each of these shifts has its own adaptive values. There are upshifts and downshifts to and from each range, as well as unique adaptive values for several different throttle regions for each upshift and downshift. It may take a significant amount of time before most of the shifts converge from fast to slow adaptive, and thus it is not unusual to experience somewhat harsh or unpleasant shift quality until these shifts are adapted.

TCC engagement is accomplished by a separate PCS. There are adaptive values for this as well, and thus it will also require some driving for TCC engagement to converge.

If you are experiencing harsh shifts, it is important to verify whether the particular shift is converged. Use the scan tool in order to determine if the shift is converged.

• If the shift is not converged, the TCM is learning how to adapt that shift, and needs to be driven more, with the intention of performing more of the particular type of shift.

• If a particular shift is converged, but still objectionable, it is good troubleshooting practice to reset the adaptive values for that shift back to base calibration level. This will automatically reset the TCM to fast adaptive mode. The vehicle should then be driven in order to allow the TCM to relearn the shift. Many times this will correct the condition. It is possible to reset individual shifts without affecting the other shifts.
 

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i can honestly say mike has built two allisons for me, i have had zero issues with either one!! i had read some place that you unhook your camper at the race track and load a big race tune in your truck and run it down the drag strip. above i have pasted adaptive learning that is done by the allison. i dont care if god himself built your allison, if you unhook a camper you have been hauling all day with a tow tune load a big tune into it and dont give it time to make some shifts with a new power level and no load, guess what it is going to flare up, bang into gears a few times! why dont you give the truck time to learn the shifts before running it down the drag strip and see how it does! mike is a great guy and if you would call him and talk to him one on one you will find he is very sharp and very helpful!
 

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Before anything else is said, I know mike to be a great guy and very capable of building a awesome trans! Where in this thread have I mentioned anything about him or in anyway negitive? I have talk to Mike and would never bad mouth anyone, that's not a proffessional way of doing things. I have only asked what is needed to refresh my trans and that's it?!?! I am in the process of what would work best for ME! Or driving 6 hrs to have my trans refreshed. If anybody has an issue with that PM me and we can dicuss it more or I'll give you my number!
Back on topic.

Mike has suggested me get a spare tcm and I have a wtb ad looking for one. I also know about the crazy adaptive learning the trans has also the reason I do run down the track a few times easy before wot runs. I am not and do not claim to be a trans guy, but do like to talk about it and learn. I do ask the same question a couple times before I catch on bt that's me.
 

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i can honestly say mike has built two allisons for me, i have had zero issues with either one!! i had read some place that you unhook your camper at the race track and load a big race tune in your truck and run it down the drag strip. above i have pasted adaptive learning that is done by the allison. i dont care if god himself built your allison, if you unhook a camper you have been hauling all day with a tow tune load a big tune into it and dont give it time to make some shifts with a new power level and no load, guess what it is going to flare up, bang into gears a few times! why dont you give the truck time to learn the shifts before running it down the drag strip and see how it does! mike is a great guy and if you would call him and talk to him one on one you will find he is very sharp and very helpful!

He more or less stated this in your quote of him. He was asking a question. No way did he blast or say anything drogatory of the builder. You are the one that has a solution looking for a problem.