Yes but you might have to keep it out of O/D which is what a lot of gas racers do. The O/D planet will sneeze under a lot of tq.
You also have to remember where a diesel makes its tq ( 2500 rpm ) as compared to gas ( 5000 rpm ).
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Yes but you might have to keep it out of O/D which is what a lot of gas racers do. The O/D planet will sneeze under a lot of tq.
You also have to remember where a diesel makes its tq ( 2500 rpm ) as compared to gas ( 5000 rpm ).
Mike do you think one could be made live @ 650hp 13/1400lb-ft in a 5800lb truck?
Just wandering for when the day comes that the ZF dies! i think it would be a much easier swap than putting an ally in it!!!
Just wandering for when the day comes that the ZF dies! i think it would be a much easier swap than putting an ally in it!!!
again it depends on the rpm......if we can make 5500+ you will never see 2500rpm or the TQ associated with it. unless you shift wayy early by accident.
No way will it hold in O/D. The big gas motors are busting them in O/D at less than 700 tq. It might work in 3rd lock up ( 1.1 ) but not O/D.( .74 )
Thats what i thought! I allready have aquired a lly/ally wiring harness, Dose the ally need the factory dash cluster and stering column shift to work right?
If i ever get to that point HP/TQ wise, if the ally is still having issues, im leaning towards a Lenco w/Bruno converter setup. If i remember corectly, Lenco has a "street tranny" too, if it will hold. I do have a 3spd Lenco right now, setup for a clutch and is air-shift. need 2 more gear sets
Least we have a reverser too My concern with the ally besides Hi-power survivability is the whole clutch2clutch setup, Mike, you stated that burnouts cause damage to the Ally? And some said, "well no biggie, we dont really need to heat our tires". <--- Well thats fine when your a 4x4, I'm 2wd and i'll need all i can get traction wise and thats prolly going to mean nice hot sticky slicks. So what can i do?
Can we throw the tranny into neutral before we let off during burnout? let off slow?
Least we have a reverser too My concern with the ally besides Hi-power survivability is the whole clutch2clutch setup, Mike, you stated that burnouts cause damage to the Ally? And some said, "well no biggie, we dont really need to heat our tires". <--- Well thats fine when your a 4x4, I'm 2wd and i'll need all i can get traction wise and thats prolly going to mean nice hot sticky slicks. So what can i do?Can we throw the tranny into neutral before we let off during burnout? let off slow?
If you could manual shift it, get the tires to start spinning in 1st & shift to 2nd. I forget if they do that on powerglides or another tranny.
Here is a link to a guy that can build them to live behind a diesel. he said he can build them even stronger......
www.ckperformance.com
www.ckperformance.com
how fast are you planning on going?in a light truck setup the ally does a good job of holing up.orange crush weighs in around 3800 lbs and the tranny holds decent from what i understand...
our truck will be about 2600lbs race weight, so adding a heavy alli is not an option. we plan to out run the current prostock truck records.
were just going to stick with the lenco....
nothing is going to last at the big power levels in a truck 6000 lbs. ponder it , these trucks are big heavy pigs add 1500 pounds of tq trying to push the mass and if the tires don't break out the trans will have to break or the driveshaft will wad up in a pretzel. IMHO.
However, to answer the gents aroginal question... I would purchase one in a second. Why? supply and demand pricing based on availabilty...
If the gas guys are using/have broken/replaced parts on there rides and have been doing so for years... the parts to fix it after we diesel guys (less diesel, smaller market, higher priced/harder to find parts) break it will be FAR less. Original build cost may be the same (doubt it) but down the road it could/should be cheaper.
Summary, if we know we are going to break it... why buy the one that is so expensive to fix? Consider the same thinking when you purchase a COMPLETE balanced stroker kit for a 500 +" BBC. I can only buy rods and pistons for my diesel....
Let the gasser guys in we need more competion to improve the diesel product.
However, to answer the gents aroginal question... I would purchase one in a second. Why? supply and demand pricing based on availabilty...
If the gas guys are using/have broken/replaced parts on there rides and have been doing so for years... the parts to fix it after we diesel guys (less diesel, smaller market, higher priced/harder to find parts) break it will be FAR less. Original build cost may be the same (doubt it) but down the road it could/should be cheaper.
Summary, if we know we are going to break it... why buy the one that is so expensive to fix? Consider the same thinking when you purchase a COMPLETE balanced stroker kit for a 500 +" BBC. I can only buy rods and pistons for my diesel....
Let the gasser guys in we need more competion to improve the diesel product.