LBZ: Please help not sure if I need a New Turbo

loudzr2

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My truck: LBZ, SunCoast Trans, McRat Wendy Tune, Straight 5",Volant Intake, 8" Fabtech, 37"s, 70K miles, Wendy tune for 60K

Ok, so here’s my problem: I was on the interstate, did a full throttle run from a 70 roll to about 130mph and popped my fuel valve. I cleared the code, and it did its normal surging and puffing black smoke every once while the valve was trying to reset. It normally takes a day or two for it to reset but after about a week, and after getting a little worst, I finally installed the PPE race valve that I have. Nothing has changed, and it still runs like crap.

If I put either of the HP tunes in the truck, it won’t even hold speed without puffing black smoke every 30sec or so. Under full throttle it’s still about 80% as fast but black smokes the entire time and sounds like the turbo is having trouble staying lit. Normally, the truck black smokes for the first 5sec and then clears up.

Things I have done:
I put the stock tune back in and it seems to run fine with no loss of (stock) power, sounds normal and drives normal.

I put a smaller McRat tune (450hp) and ran like crap, same as the large tune

I data logged a couple things – not really sure what to look at, but with either HP tune I could keep the throttle at a constant 30% (accelerating) as my truck started bogging and lugging. The commanded and Actual Boost voltage were going from 3.0V down to zero or less than one.

I took the boot off the front of the turbo and check the wheel, and it seems to have a small amount of play up and down, maybe .005-010 total. If you pull up on the wheel its harder to turn, but it does not hit the housing but has no play in and out.

I also did a bottle test and got no fuel in the bottle.

When I put he HP tunes back in, if the truck is cold, I can go around the block and floor it and it runs perfect, but as soon it starts to get warm 3-5 mins after, it starts runing bad and stays bad.

I had someone look at the turbo when I had the boot off that sled pulls duramaxs competitively, and he said my turbo seems to be shot. I just can’t understand why it runs perfect stock. I just really want to make sure that I am 100% sure that it is my turbo before I go spend $3500 to replace it with an aftermarket one.

Anyone have any ideas on thing to check? The Chevy dealership is about a useful as a poopy-flavored lollipop when it comes to diesels. Please help – thanks.
 
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RPM Motorsports

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Boost leak, i've got money on the drivers side at the IC! Mine did it about a month after I bought the truck. It would only leak when I was on the throttle "getting on it". It would smoke more then any tune that has ever been in the truck.
 
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loudzr2

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Where should I check, Besides the IC connections?

The thing that is so weird to me is that is runs completely fine at full throttle stock, but runs like crap just crusing with a tune in it?
 

loudzr2

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One other important note: When I put he HP tunes back in, if the truck is cold, I can go around the block and floor it and it runs perfect, but as soon it starts to get warm 3-5 mins after, it starts runing bad and stays bad.
 

McRat

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You need to check for a boost leak first. Normally when the turbo is shot, it howls like a 8-71 supercharger, and you can't hit 50mph on level ground. And there is contact between the compressor wheel and housing.

If the blades stick? Normally it will code, but you can datalog whether the blade commanded = blade actual, IIRC.

You make a plug for the inlet of the turbo and feed an air-line to it from your compressor. You should hear the leak somewhere. You can also look for black streaks on connections. KD Tools makes a real test kit, but probably too $$$.
 

Sean8816

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The truck cruising at 50mph (0psi of boost) randomly bogs down and shoots a ton of black smoke out. This happens very frequently even at 0psi boost conditions, so I don't see how it can be a boost leak. Also, the desired and actual vane position drop to 0 when the truck bogs down, then both climb back up to normal and the truck is fine. We changed the vane positioning senor and the problem persists. Something is making the desired vane position move drastically, and we've tried different tunes (one of which was in this truck for 60k miles with no problems) with no luck. I can't believe this truck isn't throwing 1 code. Any help is greatly appreciated, and thank you guys for the responses.
Also, in and out play is not the only concern on turbos. I've seen a few completely destroyed turbos with no in and out play.
 

loudzr2

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I am kind of with Sean on this one, it seems like if it was a boost like or problem it would do it stock, But I am willing to try what ever you all think to try and figure out what this is.

I run a CNC machine shop so I can pretty much make what ever I/you need. Pat let me know if this is what you are talking about, I was going to make a Alum (hockey puck) the size of our intake boot and tap it in the center to take a air tool quick connect fitting, then install it were the rubber boot is for the intake. Then regulate the shop air to 50psi and listen for leaks?
 

02freighttrain

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I had a very similar problem recently. (LLY). Mine was the turbo. Bearing was fine on the check, but if you applied any pressure, up or down, while trying to turn it, it would lock up. Impeller was not striking the housing. The charger made no wierd noise. The only thing we did was put another charger on it and problem was solved. Might be a boost leak, but I think it would do the same thing with the stock tune.

Brian, crack your wallet and put a Cheetah or a non-vvt on that pig of yours..... :nod:
 
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Drholliday

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Do you have the EGR blocked? Any possibility of it sticking open on the bigger tunes?

Mine had an EGR issue for a while and when it would open the truck would bog sputter and die all way putting out a ton of smoke.
 

loudzr2

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Dude I owe you, BIG

I bought an EGR blocker plate, installed it, PROBLEM COMPLETELY SOLVED