Question: Oil Filtering requirements

juddski88

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I want to go to a remote oil filter setup similar to Ed's (05smoker). I run CenPeCo 20w-50 with a LBZ oil pump with no pressure mods. My truck runs approx. 30psi oil pressure at 185 degrees water temp at idle. What micron screen should I get? what size disc? I was thinking a 9" 28 micron setup..
 

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Why relocate the stocker? When you relocate, often it cuts the flow down unless your running something like 12 AN (3/4") lines and fittings with this sized passages also. The return in the filter pipe is the restriction at .600 (almost 5/8"). I run a 2mic on the side stream oiler for the engine and trans. The stuff between 2 to 20 mic is the stuff that wears the motor out any way. The stuff the full flow oil filters stop (stockers and such at 20+mic) CANT really get in between the parts to easily to wear them out in the first place. I just change my CATs every 30K and the stocker every other time (the stock is still usually extremely clean though). The mounts I made puts it under the air filter where you can just reach up under the passenger side quarter panel and uncrew it and screw on another. No more climbing under. I make my own filter heads and they have a sampling port.
 

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juddski88

Freedom Diesel
Jul 1, 2008
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I have a BIG KillerBee oil cooler kit that I bought used for almost nothing. I run Rick's spaghetti style headers and I have a remote electric water pump as well. things in the area of the stock oil cooler and filter and coolant pipe are a bit tight, and I can't imagine having the coolant pipe next to cherry red headers at the end of a run is too efficient.
Mike, you are saying that the engine oil needs to be filtered down to 2 microns? Aren't those 1R-750 filters for fuel? I need some edumacation I guess...:eek:

Thanks,
Tim
 

super diesel

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I understand Tim. The better the filtering the better off your motor is. The small stuff gets between the cylinder wall and the piston causing scuffing and the bearing surfaces causing them to deteriorate in short order. This small stuff is a real problem. GM did a test some years back and showed proof that the engines lasted 7+ times longer when filtering down to this level. I know the diesels already last a long time, but when you turn up the wick, it wears them even quicker from this. Plus your emissions stay low and fuel mileage up over the years from lack of wear. I call my system the purifier. I did it for the trans too because of the wear on the clutch plates and steels. I've seen my spin ons from my Allison after 5K. I didn't like it. That's just me though. I've been doing these on local trucks around here and they ALL love them. Yes it's a cat fuel filter that is $15 from the CAT dealer (cheap oil purification). I do them in singles, the dual for our trucks. A dual that mounts on the frame or in the bed, and a very LARGE single for anything you can fit it in including motor home campers, earth movers, or over the road big rigs. They handle 250+ deg oil just fine as does the hoses I use. There is a company that likes them so much that they want to start supplying them in private autos, commercial apps, and marine use. Oil does't wear out. It only gets broke down from heat and contaminants. This removes the contaminants. The things that the auto industries screw us on is crapy filteration (if it was sufficient, the vehicles would last much, much longer and there revenue would fall because of lack of new vehicle sales), NO dang egt gauge (for the charged autos and diesels), and NO oil temp gauge. All these equal a much longer lasting vehicle with less issues. My purifier feeds the filtered oil back into the oil fill hole (side not the top) so you remove the cap to see it working and you can also see when it's getting clogged. If it does, it's a non issue because you still use the stock oil filter the same as before. The trans filter dumps back into the spare dip stick hole.
 
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05smoker

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How is flow effected going through the 2 micron filter with a stock oil pump?

My relocation uses 12an line. I run the 60 micron 6" filter on it with 20-50 cenpeco. Bearings were inspected after one season and were fine. According to Holley the 28 screen is for propane/exotic fuels and the 60 is for oil and fuel. The beauty of it is you can pull the screen anytime to inspect and clean and reuse. System has worked well for me. This is a competition only truck and is never street driven.
 

super diesel

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The full oil flow is not going through the 2 mic. Only a small amount at a time. There are small restrictions the oil goes through to get to the 2 mic filter. The main amount of oil still flows through the stock full flow filter. It take a few passes to get it all through the 2 mic. Folks that I have done it for look inside the oil filler neck and say "WOW, that's flowing alot more through it than I thought".

Yes Tim. It would do a far superior job to the filteration you have now. I don't think ANY vehicles should be without it period knowing what I know about super clean oil and what the auto industry has served us up. This filters most ALL the wear particles, ash, and junk that gets into the motor through combustion and operating hours. This is why you would need to change oils in the first place. You have a handle on your oil temps now, so the next step is completely remove the particles from the motor to eliminate wear. That's why I call it the purifier. I started this a while back because one friend of mine with a Duramax told me " I bought this to pass folks on the road going up the mountains AND I want it to be the last truck I need to buy, how can we do it?" This is one of the things I did in the survivor kit I made for him. It consisted of the dual purifier for the motor oil and trans, a filter for the power steering pump and cooler, tie rod sleeves, EGT gauge, oil temp gauge and cooler, on-demand lift pump with before and after 2 mic filters w/ auto bypass, & transfer case pump saver, and a recommended 1 qt tranny fluid in the fuel talk per fill up. He told me he has a piece of mind now.
 
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05smoker

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The full oil flow is not going through the 2 mic. Only a small amount at a time. There are small restrictions the oil goes through to get to the 2 mic filter. The main amount of oil still flows through the stock full flow filter. It take a few passes to get it all through the 2 mic. Folks that I have done it for look inside the oil filler neck and say "WOW, that's flowing alot more through it than I thought".
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I'm with you now. :thumb:
 

juddski88

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I guess im just apprehensive about running a super fine filter on a competition truck. I run an amsoil eao5 filter, which I believe is the best on the market for sure, and iirc its only a 17 micron filter.
 

Burn Down

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It's a bypass setup, the main oil system still runs through the factory filter. Superdiesel is just stealing a small amount of oil from the engine oil galley and running it through alot lower micron filter. The filter media is to fine to run full flow, they would pop under cold oil conditions, if you didn't have a relief in place.
 

super diesel

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It's a bypass setup, the main oil system still runs through the factory filter. Superdiesel is just stealing a small amount of oil from the engine oil galley and running it through alot lower micron filter. The filter media is to fine to run full flow, they would pop under cold oil conditions, if you didn't have a relief in place.

Correct. It's a side stream bypass that oil is forced through from the engines oil pressure. The trans bypass operates in the exact same way but it has a restricted sample that it takes from the trans cooler lines.
 

juddski88

Freedom Diesel
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I understand that you are using it as extra filtration, and if my truck was a road warrior, I would most certainly be running something similar. What I want to know is, for a competition truck, what is needed? Obviously a 25 micron (or whatever stock ACDelco/Wix is) will do it, an Amsoil EAO52 will do it, among others. But are they best suited for the job? I would imagine not. How fine of particles do I have to worry about as far as something ruining my bearings? Mind you, I know many many alcohol engines run the Oberg-style screens like Ed is using and they are super easy to check and clean. I would love to go that route if I can feel confident about using only 28 micron filtration.
 

sweetdiesel

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I run a system one remote part number 202-202712 Its only 75 micron up to 25 gpm this is the main filter dash 12 AN in/out

Also my lower oil pan is tapped it runs a cat 2 micron filter that goes into a pump then a aux trans cooler with fan......I use this when its in the pits to circulate the pan. and since i dont run a stock cooler i thought i would use this.



http://www.system1filters.com/oilfilters.htm
 

sweetdiesel

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Simon, so you are not running a stock oil pump if I read that correctly? or is the pump on the sump just for aux cooling purposes?


Tim

Its a aux pump on the sump. The truck wont need to be running that way.

The system one filter is used for the stock pump and i dont have a oil cooler besides the one hooked to the sump.

Clear as mud?
 

sweetdiesel

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I knew you ran the old style one and I thought you integrated your own pressure relief. What pump do you use for the sump system?


there isnt much left of my relief valve its been trimmed down so much

i dont have any other relief valve in the sytem, I think fingers made something like that though. I just run a lighter oil Cen 20-50 made way to much pressure


here is the pump i run on the sump

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/oilsystems.htm