Did not know that
Not to mention, your LLY wouldnt even run/communicate with a 2007.5 truck, let alone a 2018.
More EPA reg's on the horizon possibly.
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Not to mention, your LLY wouldnt even run/communicate with a 2007.5 truck, let alone a 2018.
:rofl:So much for the diesel bros putting 12 valves in everything. So who enforces this Ben?
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SUBJECT: Bucket list early fulfillment:
Restored 1970-72 Chevy short bed fleetside truck.
Built 383 small block
Turbohydramatic 700R4 no electronics
Headers
Quiet mufflers
Disk brakes front and rear
Air conditioning
Rochester spread bore carburetor
Aluminum intake manifold
No catalytic converters
No EGR
No OBD-II port
Simple to work on
Minor emissions check where I live
Drive it till I kick the bucket....
SUBJECT: Bucket list early fulfillment:
Restored 1970-72 Chevy short bed fleetside truck.
Built 383 small block
Turbohydramatic 700R4 no electronics
Headers
Quiet mufflers
Disk brakes front and rear
Air conditioning
Rochester spread bore carburetor
Aluminum intake manifold
No catalytic converters
No EGR
No OBD-II port
Simple to work on
Minor emissions check where I live
Drive it till I kick the bucket....
Put the link on Instagram last night, seems to be the best way to reach the most amount of people :thumb:
The EPA can pound sand. There's a reason we bought a lot of new equipment the last couple year before the tier 4 final stuff came out. Just what I want to do is wait for my excavator to regen before I can use it again.
The EPA can pound sand. There's a reason we bought a lot of new equipment the last couple year before the tier 4 final stuff came out. Just what I want to do is wait for my excavator to regen before I can use it again.
I have a Teir 4 tractor and it hasn't given any issues. It's all egr and def. No dpf. I do use about 1 gallon of def for every 20 of diesel.... that adds up fast.
GMC_2002_Dmax
The Still Master
I am shopping for a replacement vehicle for the wife.........I was interested in a VW or Porsche Diesel SUV........but because of all the crap and issues and BS with the diesel emissions testing and VW, the dealers cannot sell them yet or even release them from ports.
VW may just send them back on the boats and sell them in Europe due to the EPA hassling them so much.
With respect to tuning, there are millions of older model trucks that still will be tuned, regardless of what the EPA says, as long as there is a will there is a way, and if consumers just stop buying new diesels because they cannot be tuned then the BIG 3 will take hits and that will force changes I hope.
Bottom line is the EPA is out of control, so much so that they threaten the economy of the USA and its not just diesel trucks, its water as well, they want to regulate puddles and streams that appear after a rain storm.
I'll worry about it when it comes down, until then it is what it is, but if altering shift times and shift speed/rpm is a violation of emissions and all these "tuners" selling deleted or emissions friendly/compliant tuning thinking they will be safe, and it isn't as without a CARB stamp its a violation to even alter timing, then the risk is all the same anyway..........
VW may just send them back on the boats and sell them in Europe due to the EPA hassling them so much.
With respect to tuning, there are millions of older model trucks that still will be tuned, regardless of what the EPA says, as long as there is a will there is a way, and if consumers just stop buying new diesels because they cannot be tuned then the BIG 3 will take hits and that will force changes I hope.
Bottom line is the EPA is out of control, so much so that they threaten the economy of the USA and its not just diesel trucks, its water as well, they want to regulate puddles and streams that appear after a rain storm.
I'll worry about it when it comes down, until then it is what it is, but if altering shift times and shift speed/rpm is a violation of emissions and all these "tuners" selling deleted or emissions friendly/compliant tuning thinking they will be safe, and it isn't as without a CARB stamp its a violation to even alter timing, then the risk is all the same anyway..........
Already is lol
We bought all Tier 4 Interim Bobcats and Excavators. Not wanting to deal with the BS for a few more years with the DEF. Had enough problems with the DEF on our 2012 Denali.
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The encrypted GMLAN will be the biggest hurdle, but I see the future of diesel tuning going like a lot of gas cars: aftermarket ECU. Though with the data bus being encrypted, it might mean some/all of the stock features don't work (traction control, the dash, etc).
Honesty, I'm still enjoying my 2003, and unless I wreck it, I don't see a good reason to drop $70k on a new truck.
I still signed the petition, because I think the EPA is out of control and out of touch.
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Honesty, I'm still enjoying my 2003, and unless I wreck it, I don't see a good reason to drop $70k on a new truck.
I still signed the petition, because I think the EPA is out of control and out of touch.
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aftermarket ECU's are not the answer. As you said, literally nothing in the truck would work. HVAC, gauges, traction control, ABS, trailer brake control, 4wd, NOTHING would work.
The transmission wouldnt even work, remember the TCM is communicating on encrypted GMLAN too.
Maybe harness boxes might return, but then again, the ECM will probably be smart enough to detect its presence, and might shut down or at least set a bunch of codes.
GMC_2002_Dmax
The Still Master
I'll wait and see......but the European Market is able to get around a lot of the BOSCH roadblocks and yes, its not easy and its super expensive, but if there is a demand then there will be a way to get around it.
Or else the older models will just keep going up in value as people will want them because they don't have the crap on them.
Eventually it will end, but not for a good long time I hope.
Or else the older models will just keep going up in value as people will want them because they don't have the crap on them.
Eventually it will end, but not for a good long time I hope.
Tuners will get around it. We do it every day on European cars. Trust me, it's a lot harder working on the 2016 Mercedes then it is on GM's, and everything's in German. Lol.
Yeah except none of them have encrypted CAN (yet).
Bosch TPROT is not the same thing as FD/encrypted CAN, they are two totally different things. Getting around TPROT from the back door is nothing like encrypted CAN. Its a 5-byte seed/key!
I know very little (basically nothing) about encryptions and whatever else kind of technology your talking about.
But what I do know is, whatever technology they are using to lock or protect stuff like this, is always closely followed with the technology/ability to unlock it......
What is cutting edge today, is old technology tomorrow....
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But what I do know is, whatever technology they are using to lock or protect stuff like this, is always closely followed with the technology/ability to unlock it......
What is cutting edge today, is old technology tomorrow....
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There might not be enough demand to go through the hassle of decrypting them. I'm happy messing with lb7 through lmm and driving a new one as is for a daily.
And trust me, they won't even notice if we stop buying them because they're not tunable. We're worth a fraction of a percent at best compared to the rest of their sales.
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And trust me, they won't even notice if we stop buying them because they're not tunable. We're worth a fraction of a percent at best compared to the rest of their sales.
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