Lml dsp5?????

kidturbo

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Good on Ben for developing a solution, but lets be clear. It's not DSP, and it's not related to EFILive.

Ben has been asked to remove all references to EFILive and associated EFILive trademarks and copyright to reduce confusion.

Cheers
Cindy

Stop being party poopers... He's promoting something that will obviously make you guys a few extra millions this year.

I've got a twenty that says it IS 100% DSP based, and uses CANbus commands captured off the OEM network to trigger it.
:thumb:

P.S. You owe me $26 right now, cause every time you authorize my CC for $1 it never refunds that back.. LOL
 
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PureHybrid

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I doubt EFI makes much money off of it. I know Cindy said it's not associated with them, but what's Ben using to flash the ecm?

The video looks like he's holding the tapshift (+) button down to change modes. Does this also change to some sort of different mode in a stock truck that he's accessing?

I feel that it would be some sort of harness box that controls all of this based on his other products, but seems to me that might get overly complicated with an LML platform.
 

kidturbo

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I'm not going to divulge any secrets about Ben's work, but we've both spent a bunch of time over the past year hacking the canbus ArbID sets and reverse engineering GMLAN language. Completely legal, and no different than what the EFIlive team does every day for a living. While Ben's focused on his projects, I've focused on my CAN gateways for marine and stand alone ECM's.

There is plenty of cool stuff you can do on these networks if you take the time to study them. Just think about all the modules that talk to each other hundreds of times per second every minute your driving. BUT you still can't perform anything that an ECU isn't capable of by default. So you need a custom DSP OS in there to begin with. Hence EFIlive making more $$$ off this...

Everything that moves across a hardwired network can be read, copied, and spoofed unless it's encrypted. There is currently no encryption on automotive networks. So what ever is being transmitted or received by the ECU's can be captured, manipulated, and if ya want, shared with the world for free. EFIlive's programing traffic and validation sequences are by no mean immune to this rule.

So before jumping to conclusions about anothers work, one should always think first and consider the long term effects. Cause often the only thing stopping someone of equal skills from busting a huge bubble in like .3 seconds, is the respect for that other persons hard work.

Nice work Ben.. :)
 

bluessmax

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Super stoked for Ben!

We have been in communication with Ben yesterday and this morning. The way this will work on a MASS scale will be very cool... Ben has the right players and team put together to get this done on a very easy basis. The trick to this whole thing is making it user friendly and be able to keep up with demand. After the direction he is going with it we spoke of yesterday - I think its going to do extremely well and expect it to rock out all while keeping up with high volume.

We look forward to it all, Ben - congrats and we look forward to working with you! :hug:
 

Chevy1925

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I'm not going to divulge any secrets about Ben's work, but we've both spent a bunch of time over the past year hacking the canbus ArbID sets and reverse engineering GMLAN language. Completely legal, and no different than what the EFIlive team does every day for a living. While Ben's focused on his projects, I've focused on my CAN gateways for marine and stand alone ECM's.

There is plenty of cool stuff you can do on these networks if you take the time to study them. Just think about all the modules that talk to each other hundreds of times per second every minute your driving. BUT you still can't perform anything that an ECU isn't capable of by default. So you need a custom DSP OS in there to begin with. Hence EFIlive making more $$$ off this...

Everything that moves across a hardwired network can be read, copied, and spoofed unless it's encrypted. There is currently no encryption on automotive networks. So what ever is being transmitted or received by the ECU's can be captured, manipulated, and if ya want, shared with the world for free. EFIlive's programing traffic and validation sequences are by no mean immune to this rule.

So before jumping to conclusions about anothers work, one should always think first and consider the long term effects. Cause often the only thing stopping someone of equal skills from busting a huge bubble in like .3 seconds, is the respect for that other persons hard work.

Nice work Ben.. :)

in the world we live in, the first few you sell that can easily be manipulated should be expected to go straight to your competitor/s. they wont ever come right out and say they are the ones buying but you know they are wanting to see what you did and how they can make it better or profit off it. if you leave the back door open, you can expect to have freeloaders.

im curious if EFI Live does come out with DSP support and bens setup can be used with it, if EFI Live will support him. They dont support anyone but two companys for the CSP switches when used on a cummins and if you have some one elses switch installed like Ira's (fish tuning), they offer you no support unless it is fully removed from the truck.
 

Chavez91

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Heh. Wouldn't you like to know
Good on Ben for developing a solution, but lets be clear. It's not DSP, and it's not related to EFILive.

Ben has been asked to remove all references to EFILive and associated EFILive trademarks and copyright to reduce confusion.

Cheers
Cindy


Well, it is DSP. Duramax Switchable PERFORMANCE. DSP is only an acronym. EFILive's is Duramax Switchable Programming. But can utilize the same Acronym.

And I don't remember him making any reference to EFILive or claiming it was theirs.
 
Stop being party poopers... He's promoting something that will obviously make you guys a few extra millions this year.

I've got a twenty that says it IS 100% DSP based, and uses CANbus commands captured off the OEM network to trigger it.
:thumb:

P.S. You owe me $26 right now, cause every time you authorize my CC for $1 it never refunds that back.. LOL


We weren't raining on his parade. He should take full credit for what he's doing. But we did need to clear up our involvement due to the high number of calls and emails we received and our dealers and distributors received.

DSP is a custom operating system for the ECM, Bens solution requires removal of the BCM for programming. Sure the ECM will need to be flashed to support the BCM modifications but that doesn't make it DSP.

If consumers still choose to call it DSP that's great, it's kind of like people calling a photocopier a Xerox machine, but you don't see Canon or any other manufacturer marketing their competing product as a Xerox machine.

As for your credit card issue, can you please pm me your details and I'll follow it up. That's not okay, and it's not normal for the $1 to not be refunded. I'm happy to track that down for you.

Cheers
Cindy


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Well, it is DSP. Duramax Switchable PERFORMANCE. DSP is only an acronym. EFILive's is Duramax Switchable Programming. But can utilize the same Acronym.



And I don't remember him making any reference to EFILive or claiming it was theirs.


I don't want to place negativity over Ben's achievements, nor get into legal argument over what we've registered for copyright and trademark. That's not what my post, or our conversations with Ben was designed to do. It was designed to clear up things for the consumer. Based on the calls and messages we got and Ben got, clarifying that point was a step in the right direction.

Ben edited his post to remove EFILive and DSP, and has also added that the product isn't associated with EFILive.

Cheers
Cindy





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in the world we live in, the first few you sell that can easily be manipulated should be expected to go straight to your competitor/s. they wont ever come right out and say they are the ones buying but you know they are wanting to see what you did and how they can make it better or profit off it. if you leave the back door open, you can expect to have freeloaders.



im curious if EFI Live does come out with DSP support and bens setup can be used with it, if EFI Live will support him. They dont support anyone but two companys for the CSP switches when used on a cummins and if you have some one elses switch installed like Ira's (fish tuning), they offer you no support unless it is fully removed from the truck.


The RSA encryption on the LML ECM prevents a custom OS. Think of bank like levels of security. RSA can be broken, but the chances of that are relatively low, and certainly not something we'd expect our developers to be able to overcome. Unless the RSA decryption routines landed in our inbox, impossible is probably the best description for DSP for LML.

EFILive has a great working relationship with Ben. We've been working on some other integrations behind the scenes that in time will deliver some neat integration products.

Cheers
Cindy


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S Phinney

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We weren't raining on his parade. He should take full credit for what he's doing. But we did need to clear up our involvement due to the high number of calls and emails we received and our dealers and distributors received.

DSP is a custom operating system for the ECM, Bens solution requires removal of the BCM for programming. Sure the ECM will need to be flashed to support the BCM modifications but that doesn't make it DSP.

If consumers still choose to call it DSP that's great, it's kind of like people calling a photocopier a Xerox machine, but you don't see Canon or any other manufacturer marketing their competing product as a Xerox machine.

As for your credit card issue, can you please pm me your details and I'll follow it up. That's not okay, and it's not normal for the $1 to not be refunded. I'm happy to track that down for you.

Cheers
Cindy


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I have had the same thing happen with my credit card upon purchasing licenses. That is why I just don't buy them thru the EFI Live site anymore.

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c20elephant

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Nice job, Ben! I'm glad to see this available. Can you post some info here? I don't have the bookface but the link worked.

Will this work with anyone's tuning? I.e. is this a base file like the old dsp5?

Sidenote : How hard was it to get the 2015.5 tow mirrors to work on the test truck?

Ditto on the bookface, anyone have a HTML5 or youtube link that does not require Adobe Flash Player to play the video in the link below, have not used Adobe Flash for 8-9 years now..

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/btdieselworks?source=feed_text&story_id=1257303570961520
 
P.S. You owe me $26 right now, cause every time you authorize my CC for $1 it never refunds that back.. LOL


I have had the same thing happen with my credit card upon purchasing licenses. That is why I just don't buy them thru the EFI Live site anymore.

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Ken and Shane,

I followed up with your queries. Our office manager is happy to send you both copies of your transaction payment histories that show we do not keep the $1.

She also said, that in the past when this has been queried by other customers, that they have found its their bank/merchant not processing the refund.

Cheers
Cindy


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Chavez91

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Heh. Wouldn't you like to know
I don't want to place negativity over Ben's achievements, nor get into legal argument over what we've registered for copyright and trademark. That's not what my post, or our conversations with Ben was designed to do. It was designed to clear up things for the consumer. Based on the calls and messages we got and Ben got, clarifying that point was a step in the right direction.

Ben edited his post to remove EFILive and DSP, and has also added that the product isn't associated with EFILive.

Cheers
Cindy





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Minus the fact that "DSP" is a generic term (Digital Signal Processor for just one example) so that won't hold any water here in the U.S.A.

But thats none of my business. :cool2: :D