LED headlights??

vzfarms

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I have an NBS 07, and had a halogen low beam go out. After the pain in the @$$ job of just getting to the bulb I would like to upgrade to something that lasts longer. I would like 5000k or 6000k HID but the truck has auto lights so I'm afraid the on-off-on sequence when you start at night will make them go out quicker, and I'm not installing any modules or holding the switch when I start every time. Anybody had any experience with good reliable LED bulbs in headlights? I don't want to buy Chinese junk, they have to come from a reputable source.
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I had cheap 8000k hids and they lasted over 2 years for me. There wasn't a problem with on and off but when it gets like below 20 degrees they take a min to warm up and shine bright.



*misread thought it said hid. I'm a dumba**!
 
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LED automotive headlights are still in their infancy. Even the OEM's still dont have it completely figured out.

And if the OEM's still dont have it completely figured out (with all the millions of dollars of design/engineering/technology that OEM's put into factory parts), there isnt a chance in hell you are going to be able to find an "aftermarket" LED headlight bulb thats going to be worth diddly for at least a couple years.

And you're never going to find things like aftermarket headlights that are NOT from china. Because the fact that all these headlight things come from china is the only way that they can skirt all the DOT regulations. If there was a "good, reputable source" for aftermarket headlights, they would be absurdly expensive, because anything "reputable" would actually have to go through DOT certification, "real" quality control standards, etc...

Whats the problem with installing a module that keeps the headlights off until the engine is running?
 

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LED automotive headlights are still in their infancy. Even the OEM's still dont have it completely figured out.

And if the OEM's still dont have it completely figured out (with all the millions of dollars of design/engineering/technology that OEM's put into factory parts), there isnt a chance in hell you are going to be able to find an "aftermarket" LED headlight bulb thats going to be worth diddly for at least a couple years.

And you're never going to find things like aftermarket headlights that are NOT from china. Because the fact that all these headlight things come from china is the only way that they can skirt all the DOT regulations. If there was a "good, reputable source" for aftermarket headlights, they would be absurdly expensive, because anything "reputable" would actually have to go through DOT certification, "real" quality control standards, etc...

Whats the problem with installing a module that keeps the headlights off until the engine is running?

I agree with Ben. He also has a module that will help you out and can turn the heated seats on in the winter IIRC. Cool little piece I want to pick up eventually.

I don't like halogen bulbs. I'm running OEM Denali headlights that I pulled apart, cleared and retrofitted mini morimoto hid ballasts into. I'm running h1 6000k hids in them and couldn't be any happier, amazing cutoff and light dispersion. My truck is lifted and on 35s and I have yet to get flashed since I did the retrofit. The cutoff piece also flips down when I turn the brights on and floods the front of the truck with light along with the halogen high beams.

Plus people who just throw hids in headlights without hid projectors are dicks. I did it for a month or so and felt bad about it, plus you can't see any better, it just seems like it because the light is a different color

Definitely worth the time involved.
 
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I love my Denali headlights! I'm running them with 55w 8k hid's . Been about a year and I've been flashed 2-3 times.

You won't find anything worth your money as far as quality goes... Buy some nice projector headlights and some hid's and be happy
 

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Well I'm fine with HID if they hold up, I will probably unload this truck on a friend a year or so down the road, and don't want to mess with factory wiring harness. I will have to look into denali lights, as I want the denali grill too. Might as well make the whole front end look good.
 

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DDM Tuning offers hid's w/digital slim ballasts for about the same price it costs ro replace your halogens(50 bucks) with quality replacement bulbs. I have been using them for 3 trucks a subaru a vw golf and 7 years. Yeah they are from china or somethin, yeah not every set works, i usually buy one more than i need. However, they work awesome, and for many many years when they do work. I had three sets on my last truck, hi lows and fogs, it was amazing with the all on mod, anyways, the sets lasted over 80,000 miles before i sold the truck with them, and actually the set i had in my hi beams is now in my golf fog lights, the golf has 40,000 miles, so that set has lasted for 120,000 miles.

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I love my Denali headlights! I'm running them with 55w 8k hid's . Been about a year and I've been flashed 2-3 times.

You won't find anything worth your money as far as quality goes... Buy some nice projector headlights and some hid's and be happy

You didnt read his post carefully.

His (cornell's) Denali HID headlights are a lot different than your Denali HID headlights.
 

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You didnt read his post carefully.

His (cornell's) Denali HID headlights are a lot different than your Denali HID headlights.

Agreed. While OEM Denali headlights are slightly better than an OEM GMC headlight they leave a lot to be desired. The cutoff is horrible along with the light dispersion. It's still focused and has horrible "hot spots" because the stock Denali "projectors" were made with a halogen bulb in mind and not an hid bulb.

On top of that OEM projector bowls can't stand the heat from the hids and the chrome on the bowls literally peels off after awhile and then you have really bad light output.

Best way to run hids and to do it the best way possible is to take an OEM headlight and retrofit an actual hid projector into it.
Otherwise you're just wasting your time and money, blinding people and being hard on your electrical system because I know most people just run their hid kits off the stock light harness instead of using a relay to help ignite the bulbs
 

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i took all my hid's out and went back with stock. I didn't care for them and blinding people got old. A fog HID went out and that was enough for me to take the rest out
 

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crappy picture taken with a blackberry, but you get the idea. (or actually, probably not, because you need to see them in person to appreciate them)

this is what real HID's are supposed to look like.

they are not aimed perfectly in this picture, I do have to adjust them up slightly.

Everyone thinks their "HID bulbs stuffed into stock halogen housings" are the cats meow and "so bright!!!".......I invite you to take my truck for a drive at night on back roads and open highways where there are no street lights. You will laugh when you get back into your own truck at how different (in a bad way) "fake" HID's are in comparison to "real" HID's with a true bi-xenon projector and properly focused lens.

There is a crapton more to properly illuminating the road ahead of you than just blasting out as much harsh/unfocused/'untuned' light as possible.

Your eyes are very deceiving in the way they perceive things, especially at night, and what is perceived by your brain as "seeing well" and "not seeing well".

The point of high-beam headlights is to be a distance spotlight, so to speak. To help your eyes see as far down the road as possible. At night, your eyes naturally go to where the most light is, or the brightest-illuminated object in front of you.

You physically cant focus on nearfield things and distance things at the same time, especially at night. Its either one or the other.

This is why the ever so popular "all four on high" mod is HUGELY deceptive. Its all a big mindf***. The all four on high mod doesnt actually help you see better in the distance. I know it looks that way to your eyes/brain, but hear me out for a minute.

Your low beams are purely for around town/near-field light to help you see the short-distance in front of you at low speeds, and to prevent blinding other drivers. Low beams are effective maybe 40 feet in front of you? I dunno. Thats where it cuts off, and thats where the "cut in" of the high-beams starts. High-beams are meant to help you see down the road as far as possible.

SO...pray tell me...how the hell does turning on the low beams while your high-beams are already on, help you see FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD??? It doesnt!!!! All it does is overload your nearfield vision with excess light...and what this does is naturally draw your eyes down lower (where more light is, because thats where your eyes always naturally go to at night in darkness, the low beam pattern/coverage area) to the road directly in front of you.

So when you're going down a country road at 50mph with your "all four on high" mod, in reality, your eyes are probably 75% focused on the road only 40 feet in front of you, and 25% focused on the area farther down the road (the part of the road that the high beams are meant to illuminate in a stock truck without the all-four-on-high mod).

Why, at 50mph on a dark road, do you want to be focusing most of your limited night-time eyesight at a patch of the road only 40-50 feet in front of you, when your truck takes at least 125 feet to stop from that speed??????

Next time you're driving at night on a straight road with your "all four on high" mod on high-beam, make a metal note of roughly what distance in front of the truck your eyes naturally drift to. Dont "TRY" to look straight down the road...just drive naturally. Then take the all four on high mod out, and drive around. I guarantee you'll find yourself looking farther down the road...where you SHOULD be looking 100% of the time at night!! It might seem like theres "less light", but there isnt. Sure, theres less light in your nearfield vision with ONLY the high-beam bulbs on...but why the hell do you need to be able to see the area 0-30 feet in front of you at night, unless you're in town at slow speeds?? You cant stop in 30 feet anyways!

The all-four-on-high mod does not make your high beams (distance lights) any brighter!!!!! It doesnt actually help you see better at night. Its all psychological, and biology/the way your eyes/brain works in low-light conditions.

Think about it.

ben
 

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point me in the right direction......the cut off is a little to high on mine now that you mention it. i did notice a huge difference when i switched to the denali headlights
 

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http://www.theretrofitsource.com/

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=3181

The morimoto mini H1's are basically the only ones that will fit into the 03-07 GMT-800 silverado headlights. Im not sure about the GMC's.

I have the morimoto mini-H1 bi-xenon projectors in my low beams, and HIR (not HID, HIR, Halogen Infrared Reflector) bulbs in the stock high beams. With the bi-xenon sheild flipped up (HID projector in high-beam mode) plus the HIR bulbs in my stock high-beam locations, it is amazing how far you can see, and how even the lighting is.

And its really not all that expensive...most of you already have perfectly good HID ballasts from your plug-and-play HID kits. So all you have to do is buy the bi-xenon projector housing ($120), buy some H1 HID bulbs ($15 on ebay???), and then reuse your existing ballasts.....just takes a little bit of time disassembling the headlights, installing the projectors, and sealing them back up.

So for less than $150, and a saturday afternoon of messing around with a dremel and the headlight housings, you can have TRUE, real HID's...once you do it, you will wonder how in the world you ever thought the "fake" HID retrofit plug-and-play kits were awesome

And the bonus is that you will not annoy other drivers on the road, especially when you are sitting behind lower cars in traffic. Because the cutoff pattern is so sharp and there is no "scattered" light to blind people in front of you. With my headlights on, even when I kneel down in front of my truck looking directly at it, with my eyes 2" above the headlight cutoff line, the headlights themselves dont look bright at all. It looks like someone is pointing a half-dead flashlight at me. And thats how it looks to oncoming drivers at night, which is a GOOD THING!!!!

ben
 

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Very informative post Ben per usual. :)

The reason I like the Denali retrofit is because I didn't even have to touch a dremel to do the retrofit. (I used it to separate the lenses however to take the amber reflector out)

A member on CustomGM.com had specs sent out for a set of aluminium adapters that drop right in once you remove the OE projector bowls. They also have holes that bolt up to the mini morimoto projectors/ projector bowls. It literally takes an hour and the hardest part was removing the old bowls from the light. It takes a bit more time/modification with a Chevy headlight but its not hard at all.

For 45.00 dollars the retrofit adapters save you a lot of hassle.

http://customgm.com/showthread.php?t=2434
 
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There are many projector headlight kits available out there, with mine the projector cuts the light dispersion off from the hood up, i can see almost as far down the road with them as the high beams, the fog lights make a nice swath of light to the sides of the lane so you can see an animal, tree or other obstacle to the side of the road very easily, and with the all on mod the high beams let me see everything above the projector cut off. Another thing to consider is how you stage the light. For example: the bigger the number for your hid bulb, the less light actually hits the road. A 4500k bulb will put the most usable light onto the road, an 8000k bulb will produce about +20% less lumens. I like to run 3000k in the fogs(yellow), 4500k in the low's(pure white) and 6000k(arctic white,slightly blue) in the high beams. There is no getting around the fact that, thats alot of light, and if you jist stare at one spot sure yout retinas are gonna get strained. But it really does help to use different spectrums of light. And to look at more than one spot on the road, more than 50 ft in front of the truck will help alot too.
I got my projector headlights for my 07 classic gmc at www.ilovebodykits.com, think they were sonar, cant remember though, they had the halo's in them i pulled those out and retro fitted 102mm ccfl halos into, they were awesome, looked like the bmw's you could see the halo's in broad daylight. Very cool, but i wouldn't do it again, it was way to much work.
 

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There are many projector headlight kits available out there, with mine the projector cuts the light dispersion off from the hood up, i can see almost as far down the road with them as the high beams, the fog lights make a nice swath of light to the sides of the lane so you can see an animal, tree or other obstacle to the side of the road very easily, and with the all on mod the high beams let me see everything above the projector cut off. Another thing to consider is how you stage the light. For example: the bigger the number for your hid bulb, the less light actually hits the road. A 4500k bulb will put the most usable light onto the road, an 8000k bulb will produce about +20% less lumens. I like to run 3000k in the fogs(yellow), 4500k in the low's(pure white) and 6000k(arctic white,slightly blue) in the high beams. There is no getting around the fact that, thats alot of light, and if you jist stare at one spot sure yout retinas are gonna get strained. But it really does help to use different spectrums of light. And to look at more than one spot on the road, more than 50 ft in front of the truck will help alot too.
I got my projector headlights for my 07 classic gmc at www.ilovebodykits.com, think they were sonar, cant remember though, they had the halo's in them i pulled those out and retro fitted 102mm ccfl halos into, they were awesome, looked like the bmw's you could see the halo's in broad daylight. Very cool, but i wouldn't do it again, it was way to much work.

no...............you dont have real projectors like myself and Cornell.................you have crappy halogen projectors with a plug-and-play HID kit stuffed into them.

Which I would consider maybe one small step above a traditional reflector/refractor halogen housing with a basic plug and play kit.

I dont mean to be an ass, but there are so many misconceptions about headlights/HID's, and so few people who actually understand them. I dont fully understand them, but after doing a lot of reading, I consider myself slightly more educated than the average bear. And there is a huge difference between your headlights and my headlights (after I did my retrofit).
 

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So basically I should either
A) leave it how it is and just replace bulbs or
B) go all out and custom build my own headlights with factory buckets and add in projectors.
I also have Whelen strobes in my high beams currently so I would have to rethink where to put those if I put projectors in
I am an electrician and LEDs have definitely changed the game in just the past couple years, and now we can do about anything with them, so I'm ready for them to take over the automotive headlamp market.
 
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So basically I should either
A) leave it how it is and just replace bulbs or
B) go all out and custom build my own headlights with factory buckets and add in projectors.
I also have Whelen strobes in my high beams currently so I would have to rethink where to put those if I put projectors in
I am an electrician and LEDs have definitely changed the game in just the past couple years, and now we can do about anything with them, so I'm ready for them to take over the automotive headlamp market.

as of right now, LED headlights in cars have not surpassed HID's as far as overall performance.

And then theres the tricky aspect of controlling light output over the wide range of temperatures a car headlight is exposed to.......an LED is not going to perform the same at -40* as it does at +125*
 

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Well im glad you went all out on your lights, and you like them, however judging by your thumbnial pics your light density hitting the garage looked weak in comparison to what i see when i pull up to my garage, the projectors i had blew doors on stock denali projectors, and in 4 years of ownership i only got flashed a hanful of times, driving a truck on 35's. I think the bottom line consideration is, will H.I.D lights make an improvement, and i believe the difinitive answer is YES. In a stock housing or not you will get 2X the lumens hitting the road as a halogen bulb, period
 

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however judging by your thumbnial pics your light density hitting the garage looked weak in comparison to what i see when i pull up to my garage

you're judging a picture taken with my shitbox blackberry at 1024x768 resolution?????

a projector designed for halogen bulb use (yours) is not going to be as effective as a projector that was designed for HID use from the start, and thats final. I dont care how mine "looks" in the crappy picture compared to yours, technically/scientifically speaking, its impossible for your halogen-projectors to perform identically. The arc in an HID capsule is simply in the wrong position to be properly focused.

Go ahead and argue it all you want, but its basic physics.