LBZ rods

TrentNell

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while i plan on running full blown rods because my power will be above the lbz's capabilty's , i was wondering if anyone knows what kind of power the lbz can hold, for guys wanting lesser builds ?
 

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personally, I think LBZ rods are underrated. To my knowledge no one has broken any (because all the LBZ/LMM's just crack pistons first, and then guys rebuild them with aftermarket rods) and very few people have bent them,

My own opinion is below 700rwhp you will be fine, depending on tuning. Tomac bent his (didnt break them though) after more than a season of pulling and drag racing, beating the crap out of them with a big turbo and dual cp3's... JMO tho.

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TrentNell

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personally, I think LBZ rods are underrated. To my knowledge no one has broken any (because all the LBZ/LMM's just crack pistons first, and then guys rebuild them with aftermarket rods) and very few people have bent them,

My own opinion is below 700rwhp you will be fine, depending on tuning. Tomac bent his (didnt break them though) after more than a season of pulling and drag racing, beating the crap out of them with a big turbo and dual cp3's... JMO tho.

ben

that has kinda been my feeling as well ben . they seem pretty strong .
 

jpowel29

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My stock LBZ rods and pistons look fine. They have low miles on them but did see 740hp on the dyno and several low 12sec passes. Tuning and egt management have everything to do with that.
 

IOWA LLY

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Cant argue with that. But it takes cylinder pressure to make power. At some point you just can't "tune" around it anymore.
 

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Cant argue with that. But it takes cylinder pressure to make power. At some point you just can't "tune" around it anymore.

very true but the problem is the extra on top of that minimum that is not needed to acheive X power level . how does drive pressure affect cylinder pressure and is it only on the exhaust stroke or power stroke as well ?

i have recently experience in real life that lower drive pressure actually can scrub boost from less pressure on the other side of the valve . has me thinking about a few things ( unrelated to this thread for the most part )
 

dmaxvaz

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good read and alot of the info i was looking for , the only thing i can add is i think in the last few years tunning and such has probably streached those max safe power #"s a bit . motors seem to be taking a bit more these days than they used to at higher power.

x2, i think there is also a difference in forced induction (turbo) drive psi. the two people that bent lbz rods had a a5000 turbo and dual fuelers which usually run at a 2:1 ratio drive psi wise. compared to a compound turbo setup (not huge ones) that usually run at a 1:1 or close to it, have lesser issues. like trent said, tuning plays a role in it too.
 

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joe from ppe bent his at 820 rwhp on there dyno at ppe with the same twin kit thats on casper now. so they can hold quite a bit. i think 650 would be a good safe number
 

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very true but the problem is the extra on top of that minimum that is not needed to acheive X power level . how does drive pressure affect cylinder pressure and is it only on the exhaust stroke or power stroke as well ?

i have recently experience in real life that lower drive pressure actually can scrub boost from less pressure on the other side of the valve . has me thinking about a few things ( unrelated to this thread for the most part )

any one able to answer the question in red :toetap:


:D
 

IdahoRob

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I believe they are a decent rod, better then the LLY/LB7. I believe they will live at a sane HP level, but tuning is a part of that.

I bought a set of aftermarket rods for my LBZ, if and when, I ever need them. Why? because if I take the time and cost and add it up, good aftermarket rods are inexpensive in my total cost of a conserative engine build.
 

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I believe they are a decent rod, better then the LLY/LB7. I believe they will live at a sane HP level, but tuning is a part of that.

I bought a set of aftermarket rods for my LBZ, if and when, I ever need them. Why? because if I take the time and cost and add it up, good aftermarket rods are inexpensive in my total cost of a conserative engine build.

well stated rob.
 

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I bought a set of aftermarket rods for my LBZ, if and when, I ever need them. Why? because if I take the time and cost and add it up, good aftermarket rods are inexpensive in my total cost of a conserative engine build.

Exactly. Your already in there so wtf why not? Piece of mind is worth quite a bit to me.