LBZ fan on a LB7 fan clutch?

Bustedknuckles

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Can it be done? Does anyone have both laying around that they could check for me? I have a full 06 front clip on my 04 and i have been battling AC issues, basically it doesn't work at idle which leads me to believe that it is lack of airflow over the condenser. The lb7 fan does not fill the lbz shroud and i can not switch fan clutches due to the thread size being different (i tried). Anyone have any advice or insight?
 

RPM Motorsports

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LBZ Truck pn# 7H04F1
LBZ Kodiac pn# K0338 GM# 15816068
LB7 Truck pn# 7B19E2
LLY truck Pn# 7A02D2

All models bolt center fan to clutch are aprox 3 7/8".
 
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RKTMech

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Get all the LBZ sht and recheck your issue, they had some issues with the a/c in 03-04 there are a few bulletins. Depends what you have left over from your conversion.
 

THEFERMANATOR

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The only difference between the two according to the HAYDEN catalog is the height of them. They both call for a M36X2.0 right hand thread for the mounting flange. The fan mounting area is the same on both as well. Only difference they list is the 2843(LB7/LLY) is 4.26" overall height and the 2850(LBZ/LMM) is only 3.83" overall height. I actually plan on going to an LBZ fan clutch on my BURB here soon to get more radiator clearance, so you may want to retry the LBZ fan clutch on your LB7. http://www.pageturnpro.com/Four-Seasons/22087-2010-Hayden-Catalog/index.html#/14
 

Bustedknuckles

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Hmmm, Thanks guys, i will try to round one up and retry. i just couldn't get the threads to start. It is winter here so i cant really diagnose my A/C issue for sure but i am determined to get it figured out this year. I am a tech so i have access to all the right tools and i have done quite a bit of A/C work but my truck has got me puzzled and i don't want to just throw parts at it...
 

Bustedknuckles

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Get all the LBZ sht and recheck your issue, they had some issues with the a/c in 03-04 there are a few bulletins. Depends what you have left over from your conversion.

The only lbz part in the system is the condensor. everything from the engine back is Lb7. It almost seems to be temperature related as well because when it gets over a certain temperature outside and i am idling the ac will quit and my recirculation light will blink. :confused:
 

Bustedknuckles

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Subject:

Poor A/C Performance — A/C Will Not Blow Cold Enough (Perform A/C System Checks, Replace Accumulator if Necessary)



Models:

2002–2004 Chevrolet Silverado
2002–2004 GMC Sierra
with 6.6L Diesel Engine (VINs 1, 2 — RPOs LB7, LLY)
and Denso A/C Compressor







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This bulletin is being revised to add part numbers for the hose, bracket and insulator to the Parts Information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 02-01-38-007B (Section 01 — HVAC).

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Condition

Some customers may comment on less than desirable A/C performance, especially when the ambient temperature is above 32°C (90°F).

Correction

Perform the following A/C system checks and replace the accumulator with P/N 89018601, if necessary. This new accumulator requires the accumulator bracket, the accumulator insulator and the A/C suction hose to be replaced also.
•Check for A/C system leaks.
•Check the A/C system for proper refrigerant charge. This requires recovering the refrigerant to determine charge in system. Refer to Refrigerant Recovery and Recharging in the HVAC sub-section of the Service Manual.
•If no leaks were found and the A/C system is charged to specification, replace the accumulator using the procedure listed below.

If normal diagnostics do not lead to a correction, then perform the following A/C system checks.
•Re-calibrate the actuators. Refer to Recalibrating Actuators in the HVAC System – Manual/Automatic sub-section of the Service Manual (SI Document ID #904666).
•Inspect the lower A/C condenser deflector for proper installation. The deflector should be positioned at the lower part of the condenser and extend forward into the top of the front bumper and below the two fresh air intake holes.
•Check the engine cooling fan clutch for proper operation. Refer to Fan Clutch Diagnosis in the Engine Cooling sub-section of the Service Manual (SI Document ID #774320).
•If the vehicle is equipped with a front license plate, inspect for proper installation. If the license plate bracket is installed upside down, it will block part of the two fresh air intake holes in the bumper. When the license plate bracket is installed correctly, the writing on the back of the bracket will be upside down.
Inspect for material between the radiator and condenser. Remove the top plate to confirm that there is no restriction. A radiator front filled with material will decrease condenser performance.

•Some improvements have been found by lowering the A/C charge from 0.82 kg (1.8 lbs) to 0.73 kg (1.6 lbs).
•Check the low pressure cycling switch for proper operation. The low pressure switch opens at 172–234 kPa (25–34 psi) , which stops compressor operation and closes when the low side pressure reaches 276–310 kPa (40–45 psi). This enables the compressor to turn back on.
Important: Compressor clutch engagement cannot be used to determine the status of the low pressure switch. The low pressure switch is one of several inputs to the HVAC control module for A/C request authorization. A/C request is one of several inputs to the powertrain control module (PCM) that control A/C compressor clutch engagement.

Using a scan tool to monitor low pressure switch status while monitoring the low side pressure with the ACR 2000 at the service port and watch the pressure at which the switch opens/closes is imperative to successfully diagnosing the switch.


•If the A/C performance has not improved after performing the above steps, replace the accumulator with P/N 89018601, using the procedure listed below. This new accumulator also requires the accumulator bracket, accumulator insulator and A/C suction hose to be replaced.

Accumulator Replacement
•Remove the suction hose mounting bolt from the A/C compressor.
•Remove the suction hose from the compressor.
•Remove the suction hose nut from the accumulator.
•Remove the suction hose from the accumulator.
•Remove the evaporator tube nut from the evaporator.
•Remove the evaporator tube from the evaporator.
•Disconnect the electrical connector from the A/C low pressure switch.
•Remove the nut from the evaporator fitting.
•Remove the accumulator bracket nut from the retaining stud.
•Remove the accumulator.
•Remove the retaining bracket bolt. This bolt must be reused for the new bracket.
•Remove the insulator. One half of the insulator must be reused.
•Install the new insulator and one half of the old insulator onto the new accumulator.
•Install the new retaining bracket and bolt to the accumulator. Do not tighten at this time.
•Add the PAG oil directly into the new accumulator that was removed during the recovery process plus an additional 90 ml (3 oz).
•Install the new accumulator.
•Install the accumulator bracket nut.
Tighten
Tighten the nut to 9 [n-m] (80 lb in).

•Tighten the retaining bracket bolt.
Tighten
Tighten the nut to 10 [n-m] (89 lb in).

•Install the nut to the evaporator fitting.
Tighten
Tighten the nut to 16 [n-m] (12 lb ft).

•Install the evaporator tube to the evaporator.
•Install the evaporator tube nut to the evaporator.
Tighten
Tighten the nut to 16 [n-m] (12 lb ft).

•Install the new suction hose to the accumulator.
•Install the suction hose nut to the accumulator.
Tighten
Tighten the nut to 16 [n-m] (12 lb ft).

•Connect the electrical connector to the A/C low pressure switch.
•Install the new suction hose to the compressor.
•Install the suction hose mounting bolt to the A/C compressor.
Tighten
Tighten the bolt to 16 [n-m] (12 lb ft).


Parts Information


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duratothemax

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I was just wondering why he is running the LBZ support/radiator/etc?

The 05-07 chevy HD grille/hood will bolt on to a 03-04 core support etc without any problems. The 05's were like this from the factory. LB7/LLY core support, radiator, fan, etc....with the "new" grille and hood.
 

WVRigrat05

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Aren't the LBZ stacks larger? That'd be reason enough for me to do it. I had two spots 3.5"x 16" on the back of my hood, cut a 4"x18" spot cut out of my steel bumper, and added coolers to my truck and I can still get it to 220+ degrees kinda easily when I beat on it.
 

Bustedknuckles

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I was just wondering why he is running the LBZ support/radiator/etc?

The 05-07 chevy HD grille/hood will bolt on to a 03-04 core support etc without any problems. The 05's were like this from the factory. LB7/LLY core support, radiator, fan, etc....with the "new" grille and hood.

I bought the truck totalled and fixed it up. Got a great deal on all the 06 parts and they were white so i didn't even have to paint it. :thumb: This is the only real issue i have, the truck runs cool and coolant temps stay low, just the AC doesn't work well at idle when its warm out.
 

duratothemax

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I bought the truck totalled and fixed it up. Got a great deal on all the 06 parts and they were white so i didn't even have to paint it. :thumb: This is the only real issue i have, the truck runs cool and coolant temps stay low, just the AC doesn't work well at idle when its warm out.

ahhh ha!!! OK makes sense now. :)

You can always just swap to an LBZ fan pulley too. Although for some reason Im thinking that one of the bolts might be in a slightly different position on the LBZ front cover???? Im drawing a blank on that.

If the LBZ fan pulley bolts on, that would be ideal. But pleeeaaasseee dont run the stupid LBZ secondary sealing-shroud thing...that is the devil, and you can forget a roadside belt change.
 

Bustedknuckles

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ahhh ha!!! OK makes sense now. :)

You can always just swap to an LBZ fan pulley too. Although for some reason Im thinking that one of the bolts might be in a slightly different position on the LBZ front cover???? Im drawing a blank on that.

If the LBZ fan pulley bolts on, that would be ideal. But pleeeaaasseee dont run the stupid LBZ secondary sealing-shroud thing...that is the devil, and you can forget a roadside belt change.

Yea, i'm definitely not putting that thing on! I Guess i will figure something out with the fan and see if that helps and if not i will install the upgraded accumulator and if it still isn't fixed i will be back for help!