Lb7 is winning the battle

clrussell

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Week 7 of this Lb7 in my shop. Granted I've not spent 7 weeks working on it I've spent plenty of time on it.. I hate to even remotely ask for help on this stuff but I'm about at my wits end with it and hate to just send it not being fixed.

Long story short, customer installed his own cluster and has had this issue ever since. It's been at the dealer for a month and two other shops before me..

What happens is the truck will randomly loose class 2 data and shut down many functions of the truck. Power windows locks, ac, gauges, abs dings etc..

It pretty much has to be cluster related as right now I have the under dash splice pack out of the truck and just the cluster, ecm and hvac hooked up (it's hot as balls and I want some ac while I'm in there). Truck will still randomly fail and I have got it to loose scanner communication, which the only way to return scanner comm is to cycle the key or unhook the cluster pin at the splice pack.

A known good cluster has been installed by me, and every other shop it's been to..

It's not loosing power or ground to the cluster at anytime it shouldn't, every wire in the data bus on those circuits has been load tested (even ran a new one to the cluster from s.p.)

I've plugged in different Tcm, ficm etc.. I have not tried another ecm but it's reman from the dealer I believe from when they had it.. bcm has been changed too by other shops..

Do I burn it? I'm loosing my a$$ on it, but want to fix it.
 

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Maybe the cluster power supply isn't holding a load. Corroded pin in the harness could do it. Power or ground could be falling out, probe it and see where the problem lies...
 

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Maybe the cluster power supply isn't holding a load. Corroded pin in the harness could do it. Power or ground could be falling out, probe it and see where the problem lies...

Cluster powers and grounds hold a load while problem occurs. I had a hella brand off-road light for a load light.. lol
 

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A friend had a very similar Gremlin in his 01 1500 5.3 310k on Od
Tried almost everything you did as well before throwing in the towel:(
Traded it for a Cruze :D
Did he use a Oem cluster or an eBay one?
Maybe when the dealer put a ecm in and the cheap cluster he had fried it as well?
Just a thought I could be totally wrong...but whenever someone "fixes" something themselves it always turns out to do more harm and for me is always a weird problem to fix that know one has ever seen before
 

clrussell

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A friend had a very similar Gremlin in his 01 1500 5.3 310k on Od
Tried almost everything you did as well before throwing in the towel:(
Traded it for a Cruze :D
Did he use a Oem cluster or an eBay one?
Maybe when the dealer put a ecm in and the cheap cluster he had fried it as well?
Just a thought I could be totally wrong...but whenever someone "fixes" something themselves it always turns out to do more harm and for me is always a weird problem to fix that know one has ever seen before


I put a known good factory reman cluster in the truck and had the same exact problem.. I was sure a cluster was going to fix this truck
 

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At each end of the twisted pair communication wires there should be a termination resistor as Mike mentioned. I think they are 120 ohms each. Though that may be for CAN Networks. Not to sure

If the resistance checks out you could shut down the power, remove one module at a time, power it back up and see if the problem goes away

Here is a good read: http://www.autoserviceworld.com/car...neral-motors-communications-network-problems/
 
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clrussell

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At each end of the twisted pair communication wires there should be a termination resistor as Mike mentioned. I think they are 120 ohms each. Though that may be for CAN Networks. Not to sure

If the resistance checks out you could shut down the power, remove one module at a time, power it back up and see if the problem goes away

Here is a good read: http://www.autoserviceworld.com/car...neral-motors-communications-network-problems/

Only modules online are ecm ficm and cluster.. unhook cluster and data comes back to ecm
 

clrussell

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Almost forgot to mention the truck will randomly go into theft while problem is occurring..
 

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I know you're extremely well versed in dmaxs but have you tried batteries? In my tech days I also had failed fuse boxes do some inexplicable shit... years of mouse piss etc just ate them from the inside out. Just throwing some stuff out there... hate electrical gremlins.