How's everyone doing with this virus crap?

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TheBac

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Been saying those things since this fiasco started. You're not alone in that thinking. A customer of mine has a sign in his front yard saying, "The Media is the VIrus". I actually agree with that. They are fomenting fear, which can be used to make a populace more compliant and easier to control.

Wife had to go back in again to be treated for the same infection flaring back up. It sure doesnt help when doctors and hospitals are incompetent.

Coworker got a complaint the other day from an older person for simply taking his mask off after he walked out of a business. This crap is getting out of control.
 
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Since this is in the smoke signals section, and as long as you are not disrespecting members of this site, I don't think you will get banned from voicing your take on this situation.

I for one think it is a test bed for, or the early implementation of a socialist/communist agenda. Just to see how far they can push us and see how many of us will fall in line or resist. Resistance can also be used to implement stricter regulations and eventually a police state or martial law, causing the politicians to suspend the bill of rights and the constitution. So they can construct a new set of policies and powers

If so, it will likely be so slow and methodical that most of us will never see it until it is too late. Hopefully there is enough of us sane 2A supporters to prevent any such take over as the founding fathers intended

I know I sound like a far right nut job and conspiracy theorist, but it all looks too convenient.

Haha, now for the ban
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In our little corner bar, you gotta be threatening someone on a personal level to get banned. Basically, you start a bar fight, your ass is kicked the f**k out. otherwise, happy bullshitting! 😁 :ROFLMAO:
 

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I for one think it is a test bed for, or the early implementation of a socialist/communist agenda. Just to see how far they can push us and see how many of us will fall in line or resist. Resistance can also be used to implement stricter regulations and eventually a police state or martial law, causing the politicians to suspend the bill of rights and the constitution. So they can construct a new set of policies and powers

If so, it will likely be so slow and methodical that most of us will never see it until it is too late. Hopefully there is enough of us sane 2A supporters to prevent any such take over as the founding fathers intended

I know I sound like a far right nut job and conspiracy theorist, but it all looks too convenient.

Haha, now for the ban😂

I won’t go that far into a conspiracy theorie but it’s definitely showing the politicians just how willing some people are to give them total control of their lives.
 

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I for one think it is a test bed for, or the early implementation of a socialist/communist agenda. Just to see how far they can push us and see how many of us will fall in line or resist. Resistance can also be used to implement stricter regulations and eventually a police state or martial law, causing the politicians to suspend the bill of rights and the constitution. So they can construct a new set of policies and powers

If so, it will likely be so slow and methodical that most of us will never see it until it is too late. Hopefully there is enough of us sane 2A supporters to prevent any such take over as the founding fathers intended

I know I sound like a far right nut job and conspiracy theorist, but it all looks too convenient.

Haha, now for the ban😂

I won’t go that far into a conspiracy theorie but it’s definitely showing the politicians just how willing some people are to give them total control of their lives.
 

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Why does everything have to be a conspiracy by the media to take over the country? How do you get your news? Pleany of non Murdoch family owned options out there. Heck has the power find anything ya want to know about anything, in Palm of your hand. But then you'd also need to realize there are state sponsored efforts to cause distrust in what we see and hear.

I speak with someone in Austrialia every day, they are mostly doing fine over there. Soon as I can get there, I plan on hanging out and working there all summer their season.. Even current Melbourne outbreak ain't never as bad as say normal day in Columbus OH. However they also put some bite behind their lockdown and mask polices. Like bust your wallet of 5k if ya get caught breaking quarantine. So everyone else gets to go about normal life, while those in infected areas get to sit at home for a couple weeks.

That and the cure..

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Cascade county health dept has threatened to shut down a great small business in a small town because some rat called in and said they saw a customer without a mask on. All the employees are wearing masks, they have a bottle of hand sanitizer for customers on the counter and put up signage on the front door about the mask mandate. Meanwhile I have been to Walmart, Costco, Sams Club, Home Depot, Lowes, etc and have seen sometimes multiple customers not wearing masks but the health dept does not threaten to close them down.
 

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^^^ that is how they are picking the winners and losers. The government has no need for small family business in a communist society. Consolidate and take over.
 
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I'm still in awe at the reality of the response to date. They throw out numbers that seem alarming but in actuality, they aren't any worse than many other out breaks that have come in recent/modern times for which nothing was done. And it shows how out of touch with reality folks are bc they're freaking the flip out over the death of 0.05% of the country. The total death toll for the year is actually trending lower a normal year here in the US. It's just that 170,000 is a big number to people and they are freaked the flip out. It's absolute insanity.

And it sure is looking like all of it is to muddle with or distract from the election and some indictments of high profile people. I can't help but see that trend. I hope more than anything that is just a strong coincidence bc if not and this stuff is on purpose. That is an absolute level of evil that I don't think I've been able to fully understand or realize is hiding behind closed doors in this country. That is so sick.

And if even half of the crap about the kids stuff is true, Lord of mercy. :(
 
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I see errors in these numbers quite a bit. In a way one cane compare it to getting hit by lightning. There are two main ways to express your chances of getting hit.

First, total number of people getting struck / population

Or, total people struck / number of people standing in an open field during a thunderstorm

The first one seems like the most logical way to calculate your odds. But the numbers would be exceeding low. The second option could pump that percentage way up. That is the way most media outlets seem to be pushing the numbers. In a sense they are saying 100 people in a field, 4 got struck. 4% chance. Therefore 4% of the people in America will get struck. 4% of 331 million is 13,240,000

Proper calculation would be:

The population of the USA is approximately 331 million

The total reported deaths for covid19 so far is 175,800

That makes your chances of catching it and dieing 0.00053%

But the media and politicians would like to make us think that more then 3% of the usa is going to die from this
 

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I see errors in these numbers quite a bit. In a way one cane compare it to getting hit by lightning. There are two main ways to express your chances of getting hit.

First, total number of people getting struck / population

Or, total people struck / number of people standing in an open field during a thunderstorm

The first one seems like the most logical way to calculate your odds. But the numbers would be exceeding low. The second option could pump that percentage way up. That is the way most media outlets seem to be pushing the numbers. In a sense they are saying 100 people in a field, 4 got struck. 4% chance. Therefore 4% of the people in America will get struck. 4% of 331 million is 13,240,000

Proper calculation would be:

The population of the USA is approximately 331 million

The total reported deaths for covid19 so far is 175,800

That makes your chances of catching it and dieing 0.00053%

But the media and politicians would like to make us think that more then 3% of the usa is going to die from this
The numbers and math the whole world goes by is around 3.5% mortality rate. Kept by John Hopkins University. Simple math, ya can't count people NOT infected YET.. They could get hit by a bus, or better yet,, never contract it.

X people got it, ÷ X people dead. Simple math, and allows you to compare Apple's to Apple's or Pandemic to Pandemic. So now using sane math, compare this to SARS to see why the world reacted in such urgency.

But the big elephant number in the room is, why does the United States have one out of every four cases in the world??? If everyone else in the world was full of s*** then they would have more cases than us correct.

The math doesn't lie, either China specifically engineered this to attack American citizens by DNA, or we just plain downright suck at handling a pandemic in this country. No other way around it

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The numbers and math the whole world goes by is around 3.5% mortality rate. Kept by John Hopkins University. Simple math, ya can't count people NOT infected YET.. They could get hit by a bus, or better yet,, never contract it.

X people got it, ÷ X people dead. Simple math, and allows you to compare Apple's to Apple's or Pandemic to Pandemic. So now using sane math, compare this to SARS to see why the world reacted in such urgency.

But the big elephant number in the room is, why does the United States have one out of every four cases in the world??? If everyone else in the world was full of s*** then they would have more cases than us correct.

The math doesn't lie, either China specifically engineered this to attack American citizens by DNA, or we just plain downright suck at handling a pandemic in this country. No other way around it

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The math isn't quite that simple considering the number of asymptomatic cases.... If we know of 10,000 cases, but in reality there were 500,000 cases, of which 490,000 were asymptomatic, that kind if changes the math.

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The math isn't quite that simple considering the number of asymptomatic cases.... If we know of 10,000 cases, but in reality there were 500,000 cases, of which 490,000 were asymptomatic, that kind if changes the math.

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You are correct, best guess 10X the numbers of confirmed cases gets ya in the ballpark.. However..

The Official Mortality number as they stand, updated daily. Now if you'd like to break it down by state, county, people in hospital, or active cases vs recovred, it's all available from this university site, and updated daily.

 

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I side with cougar on this one. We have no idea the real number of infection cases. Best guess' time and time again have shown to be wrong and with more testing and time those numbers are then predicted as much higher than originally thought

Now with the number of cases going up due to increasing in testing, the number of deaths and subsequently the percentage of deaths is dropping. At least around my neighborhood I don't hear much in the way of death rate or x number died from covid19, etc anymore. It's all about the new cases reported. Well duh, increase in testing will show an increase in x number of people infected.

The old percentage of deaths is still occasionally brought up and it is still the 3-4% range. And apparently there is a bunch of people that think this means approximately 30 million will or have died from it.

I think the biggest problem is not necessary the numbers but the interpretation of the numbers and response to it. That part is way out of line.
 

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either China specifically engineered this to attack American citizens by DNA, or we just plain downright suck at handling a pandemic in this country. No other way around it

I wouldn't put it past them to do something like this. But I really don't think we have advanced to a level to genetically attack any one particular race. But the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that this may be, as I mentioned a bit about above on the socialist / communist agenda, a way to lower the drain on the government's pockets. Just think. Find, breed or engineer a virus that people with underlying health conditions, elderly, etc will have a hard time surviving. In an attempt to construct a communist system you will need to cut out all of the people who are a drain on society or who consume more then they produce. They want young healthy people to make a strong work force and minimal expense on the health care system, social security, medical, medicaid, etc

Just look at this graph. Those programs take up roughly half the US budget. More so then defense or any other program.

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I see errors in these numbers quite a bit. In a way one cane compare it to getting hit by lightning. There are two main ways to express your chances of getting hit.

First, total number of people getting struck / population

Or, total people struck / number of people standing in an open field during a thunderstorm

The first one seems like the most logical way to calculate your odds. But the numbers would be exceeding low. The second option could pump that percentage way up. That is the way most media outlets seem to be pushing the numbers. In a sense they are saying 100 people in a field, 4 got struck. 4% chance. Therefore 4% of the people in America will get struck. 4% of 331 million is 13,240,000

Proper calculation would be:

The population of the USA is approximately 331 million

The total reported deaths for covid19 so far is 175,800

That makes your chances of catching it and dieing 0.00053%

But the media and politicians would like to make us think that more then 3% of the usa is going to die from this

You need to multiple your 0.00053 number by 100 to get percent. So it's 0.053% but yeah, still extremely low percentage of the US population have died from COVID-19.

AND that's if all the deaths attributed to the virus are actually because of the virus but we've all seen where places are counting "suspect" deaths as COVID even with out a positive test result as well as completely different causes of death (car accident, other illnesses, etc.) being listed as a COVID ddeath just because the deceased happen to also test positive for COVID. It's an absolute schitt show.
 

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The numbers and math the whole world goes by is around 3.5% mortality rate. Kept by John Hopkins University. Simple math, ya can't count people NOT infected YET.. They could get hit by a bus, or better yet,, never contract it.

X people got it, ÷ X people dead. Simple math, and allows you to compare Apple's to Apple's or Pandemic to Pandemic. So now using sane math, compare this to SARS to see why the world reacted in such urgency.

But the big elephant number in the room is, why does the United States have one out of every four cases in the world??? If everyone else in the world was full of s*** then they would have more cases than us correct.

The math doesn't lie, either China specifically engineered this to attack American citizens by DNA, or we just plain downright suck at handling a pandemic in this country. No other way around it

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Or other countries aren’t testing or reporting like we are...
 
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You need to multiple your 0.00053 number by 100 to get percent. So it's 0.053% but yeah, still extremely low percentage of the US population have died from COVID-19.

Oops. Your right. Forgot to multiply
Still low in my book
 

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But the big elephant number in the room is, why does the United States have one out of every four cases in the world??? If everyone else in the world was full of s*** then they would have more cases than us correct.

You are correct, best guess 10X the numbers of confirmed cases gets ya in the ballpark.. However..

(To be clear, not picking on you. You just happen to share viewpoints that don't agree with mine, and I think reasonable discussion on these issues is beneficial for both of us.)

First, 10x isn't the best guess / best case, it's the worst case. Every study I've seen done on how much of the population has antibodies has shown it to be 15x-60x greater than the number of positive tests. When the denominator of that death rate equation goes up by 15x-60x, the death rate goes down by 15x-60x. Which means that the death rate isn't 3%, it's 0.05% - 0.2%. The CDC itself said that they estimate the incident death rate to be around 0.25%. While I definitely don't think a low death rate should be ignored, I do think the general population needs to understand (or be told) that a 0.25% death rate is extremely low, and that there are MANY things that are more likely to kill them (like obesity, smoking, or alcohol, all voluntary choices).

Second, the US does NOT have one of every four cases in the world. The US has one of every four positive tests in the world. Important distinction. When you consider that the US has performed roughly 1/3 of the total tests in the world (not counting China's BS numbers), having 1 out of 4 of the positive results doesn't sound quite so bad. Plus, give it some time; go look at India's data. They've performed 1/10 as many tests per capita, yet have 1/2 as many cases. And even with very little testing (relatively speaking) they're still rising exponentially, as opposed to the US that never actually grew exponentially and is pretty much flattening out. The media's gonna be really upset when India comes sailing past in a few weeks and they can no longer say that the US has the most cases (and with enough time, unfortunately deaths as well) in the world.

I've gotten really frustrated with people characterizing the US, or certain parts of the US, as these bass-ackwards conservatives that are incompetent at dealing with the Coronavirus. I've heard so much lately about how other countries are getting back to normal, going back to school, bars and clubs opening back up, while the US isn't doing those things because we're so incompetent at following rules or because we're "clinging to our outdated freedom".

Two replies to that: 1, it's not over till the fat lady sings. And based on case counts in recent days in most of Europe (and Latin America), the fat lady most definitely has not sung. Number 2, even though we're still dealing with it in the US, our death rate per capita is less than, or very similar to, most European countries. That's what matters, right? Adjusting for population, how many people have died? And in that regard, the US is not any sort of outlier. You could say that we have successfully "flattened the curve", right? We spread out the cases and deaths over a longer period of time so as to not overwhelm our medical system. That was the goal, and we've done exactly that, right? So why are people complaining about the job the US has done with Coronavirus?

Likewise for comparing regions within the US. I'm in NC, where a few of our universities just shut down in-person class after trying it for about a week. I was listening to some knuckleheads on public radio this morning lamenting about how NC should have / should be responding to all this more like New York, because New Yorkers have flattened the curve, eliminated the virus, and gotten back closer to normal life with schools opening back up, etc.

New York? NEW YORK!?!? The same New York that has had EIGHT TIMES as many people per capita die than NC?!? Why on earth should our response look more like theirs? Sure, our cases have drug on for a longer period of time, BUT THAT WAS THE POINT. And we've had far fewer people die from it as a result.

Likewise for Florida, Texas, Arizona, Georgia, and virtually every state with a Republican governor. If you listened to the news, you'd think that the sky is falling in those states because they still have Coronavirus, yet their death rates per capita are only a fraction of the Northeastern (Democrat led) states that the media holds as ideal examples of how to deal with the virus. Much of what we're being told about the virus is completely backwards that what the actual data says, and most of the rest of what we're told conveniently leaves out extremely important context. Like, for example, that 71% of the deaths here in NC are in nursing homes / assisted living facilities, and that the average age of COVID death is roughly equal to, well, the average age of everything-else death. Think about that one for a minute!

Look, I'm not at all a conspiracy theorist on this stuff. Both of my parents tested positive from it just this past week, and I had a great-aunt / cousin that passed away about a week ago from it. It's definitely real, it's definitely killing people, and we definitely need to address it. But so far, our response to it has not been based on the actual facts and data regarding its severity and how / who we should be protecting; likewise, the media reports on the successes and failures is not based on the actual results that the data portrays. And you're a fool if you don't realize that there's only one reason why that's so: to defeat Donald J. Trump in the November 2020 election. Period.
 
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