Well see there's the problem. The used one with 18000 miles is the same as a new one with the rebates. Makes it hard to buy the used one. If it was lower I'd say buy the used. I was looking more for an efi tuneable 08-10 but never found one low enough. If getting the lml you may as well get new if the deal is the same. I agree the 20s are blah. I like the 18s that mine has.