How come more don't use water/meth?

lotsofmiles

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are you asking why its important not to have high sodium/magnesium/potasium/lead/and coppr levels in your engine and oil?:confused:
 

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Come on master engineer figure it out yourself or are you to busy ripping off someone else products?

Sorry to take this OT, but I ain't holding my tongue around that POS.
 

LBZ

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I believe you. But why is it important?
Because external contaminants wear engine components faster.

OT, but I can tell you why I will never run window piss in my engine. Oils are formulated with certain additives like molybdenum and boron which are friction reducers and corrosion inhibitors. Magnesium is also detergent added to oil, but can also be introduced as a contaminant in the form of hard water, turbine metalurgy and road dust.

When you introduce contaminant metals like Silicon, Sodium, and Potassium, or excessive amounts of say Magnesium, which are found in WW fluid as lotsofmiles' samples have proven, these elements wear the components faster and can render the friction reducers useless, or with a reduced ability to help reduce engine wear. Also, they can raise the operating temperature of the oil-just as running the wrong viscosity oil can.

I run an Oil Sample Machine as part of my job at work and have taken a course on oil sampling and how to read analysis' and I will tell you, you would be surprised at how regularily scheduled oil sampling can give you a very clear heads up of potential problems in your engine before they happen. Such as leaky injectors, and internal coolant leaks.
 

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And your reason for this is............?

If you spray drugs into the motor make it worth your while. TylerrustLB7 made a measley 8hp with Wm today. Some have commented on power loss and bogging with WM. If you are gonna make power and use drugs to do it suck it up and spray nitrous.
 

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if you spray drugs into the motor make it worth your while. Tylerrustlb7 made a measley 8hp with wm today. Some have commented on power loss and bogging with wm. If you are gonna make power and use drugs to do it suck it up and spray nitrous.

lol

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LBZ

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If you spray drugs into the motor make it worth your while. TylerrustLB7 made a measley 8hp with Wm today. Some have commented on power loss and bogging with WM. If you are gonna make power and use drugs to do it suck it up and spray nitrous.

Lotsofmiles made almost 100hp with WM so what's your point?

Yes, I noticed that when spraying straight water as I do you there is a power loss, but when you start with a 100hp tune to begin with, the loss isn't a big deal-especially when towing. And there is no loss when using meth/water mix-especially at 50/50.

Plus you can buy water and methanol almost anywhere-and if you have to-WW fluid. Not so with NOS!!
 

lotsofmiles

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i was just throwing a random smilie out there.;)
dont know anything about nitrous.



I thought the H20/meth shouldnt bog or reduce power unless too much is getting sprayed in.

i can hear it when i'm spraying too much especially when towing. even with the small 'mpg' nozzel on the snow kit you can spray too much. especially do you have to have the power mode (3 nozzels) set right. when we dynoed mine i first had the power mode set to come on at 20psi boost. truck hit 20 and instant quench and power loss. turned up power mode to start at 25 psi and truck hit an extra 102hp. :D
 

Killerbee

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...you would be surprised at how regularily scheduled oil sampling can give you a very clear heads up of potential problems in your engine before they happen. Such as leaky injectors, and internal coolant leaks.

This is my perception of analysis also, early warning of failed components. The dissolved elements, as far as i know, don't harm the oil itself (your explanation notwithstanding), but I am probably wrong.
 

lotsofmiles

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thats been the ? noone has answered for me yet. are the levels of contaminates in my analysis running tap water or wws really 'normal/acceptable' for a h20/meth injected engine?

dont think i want to be the one that does that long-term test on my engine.

i'll stick with distilled h20
 

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This is my perception of analysis also, early warning of failed components. The dissolved elements, as far as i know, don't harm the oil itself (your explanation notwithstanding), but I am probably wrong.

There is a standard set by each engine manufacturer that states the acceptable amounts of Wear Metals and Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) that are tolerable.

Most Oil Sample companies use these as guidelines for their analysis machines and in the print-out it should indicate whether or not it is not measurable, abnormal or excessive. Lotsofmiles, you should have this on your report somewhere and if not, then the sampling company should be able to supply you with this info.

Usually if it is excessive, they will contact the customer and request a second sample ASAP. Abnormal amounts usually mean something that just needs to be monitored at the next sample interval.

My machine has the Duramax engine already programmed into and I intend to do some sampling on my own truck to check it's status. But like lotsofmiles said, I to don't intend to be a guinea pig and will continue to use distilled.
 

lotsofmiles

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got the oil analysis back. The last sample had high potasium, magnesium, sodium, copper and lead, and I ran only wws for the sample.

Switched back to distilled h20 and meth changed the oil and ran it 5000 miles pulled another sample. All the high levels went down.
 

lotsofmiles

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how much water do you use in 5000 miles?

depends.
there are a lot of variables (temp/terrian/loaded/empty/weight of load/speed/etc) and i'm still searching for the 'sweet spot'

but running empty i see decent gains spraying aboout a gallon per 100 miles.

so what avg 50 gallons per 5000 miles