hard starting at all times (losing pressure)

onebaddmaxxx

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I recently bought a 2004 lb7 4x4. The thing runs great after it starts. When I bought it, It would just crank and crank whether it was hot or cold. And never start on its own. The truck has an airdog 2 165 on it. (not sure how old it is) It was not acting like it had consistant flow and had a little whining sound like air coming by one of the lines maybe. I pulled the lines off, put new thread sealant on fittings and put them back in and put a new set of filters on it. The truck started right up for a week with no problems. Then out of no where it starts starting dumb again. It actually starts on its own now whether its cold in the morning or hot after you get done driving it. And ALWAYS starts now. But it has an extended crank (about 5 seconds). It sounds like when it cranks it has to build pressure up then fires. Once the thing fires up though, there is no problems and it runs amazing. The truck just had injectors put in at the dealer along with a cp3 and regulator about 2000 miles ago by the previous owner. I have the receipts. I smelled the oil and there is not even a hint of fuel in it and the level is right where it was when I changed it.

When the airdog is running now its almost making the same noise it was before. I can lay under the truck and wiggle the lines a little bit where they quick connect at the pump and the sound will change when i wiggle the return line. Buttt, i dont think the return line sucking air would affect start up. Another thing is, its VERY hard to put fuel in the truck. whether i use a big or little nozzle it doesnt matter it comes back at me very fast and literally takes like 20 minutes to put $60 of fuel in. Iv checked all the factory supply lines and there is no kinks, not even where the metal hose goes to braided on the frame. I Also deleted the factory fuel filter head on it thinking maybe it was sucking air. If anyone can help any info is appreciated!
 

dmax711

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It kinda sounds like your loosing prime and the only thing that's making it fire is the air dog rebuilding pressure.I'd go over all your fuel lines and see if there's something loose.
 

onebaddmaxxx

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The injectors are like new.. I know just because they are new doesnt mean anything. I was hoping it might be a problem on low pressure side. if the airdog fittings are letting air in then i was thinking it will have an extended crank because air goes up to the top of the motor. So it would have to push it through the system. But after the truck sits like anything after 10 minutes to the next morning the start is the same. Its never any worse if it sits longer.
 

andy-stevenson

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Are you letting the truck sit in accessory for a few seconds before cranking or you just trying to start it right away?
 

onebaddmaxxx

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Are you letting the truck sit in accessory for a few seconds before cranking or you just trying to start it right away?


It doesnt matter how long it sits there with the air dog running. It doesnt matter if try right away or let it sit a minute still does the same thing

Also, The fuel filter head is already deleted
 

MechanicalReign

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i have had the o rings go bad in the quick connectors before, that came with my fass set up. Mine dripped fuel tho.
x2 on filter head rebuild. Has to many places on it to suck air or leak.
 

Texas Chevy

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I bet it's a issue with the air dog. Have you checked the fuel pressure? As for hard to fill up with fuel I have no suggestions
 

MACKIN

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I bet it's a issue with the air dog. Have you checked the fuel pressure? As for hard to fill up with fuel I have no suggestions

I'd start here also with the Air Dog it isn't a pull through design if it isn't pumping. So perhaps it's weak and putting a restriction on the fuel delivery? Working intermediately (SP)?)?
 

onebaddmaxxx

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The fuel filter head is deleted guys!

I checked pressure at the test port on the front of the engine and its at 12psi with no fluction (engine off key on, engine idle, command max psi at idle)

A little update on what I did Wednesday was the black piece of hose that was deleting the fuel filter housing i replaced with a clear piece of hose. At first when I turned the key on, the airdog instantly pushed fuel up to the top of the hose, then It couldnt get it over the loop. (the loop was up on the cowl of the truck so i could see if from inside the truck so it was the highest part of the whole fuel system) So I cranked it over and got it fired up. Fuel at this point is barely trickeling over the loop of the clear hose. Logging rail psi actual vs desired were dead on the money with each other. I took the gauge off the test port and pushed in the nipple and that allowed the air to push through the system. I have looked at a few lb7s this week and when you shut them off the MPA slowly drops drown and hangs around 1.8-2.0mpa once settled. Where as mine the second you shut it off it drops to 1.0mpa. After I bled the air out of the clear tube through the test port, It was starting a big easier. But after driving it a day it started having a long crank again. I am thinking if the fill neck and vent are clogged or messed up that as it runs it sucks the tank down and when you shut it off it kinda draws the fuel back from the airdog back to the tank. If there was a leak from the airdog to the cp3 there would be a leak because its under pressure. But from the tank to the airdog its under vacuum. When you shut the truck off with the clear hose, you could kinda see the fuel going backwards about 12" then stop. Any thoughts now?