LB7: Got a problem

TheBac

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Well, I hate to say it, but Ive got an odd knocking coming from the engine. I suspect its injector knock, but havent ruled out exhaust leak or even loose converter bolts. I'll be doing those physical checks on Saturday when I have more time.

a) I can only hear the noise in the cab, not when Im standing next to the truck, or if someone else drives the truck past me.
b) The noise is not as obvious when the engine is cold, but gets louder and more pronounced as the engine gets to operating temp, but I still cannot hear it outside the cab.
c) The noise follows RPM, both up and down, and is more prevalent when the engine is working to get the truck up to speed, not when "cruising" with light foot on accelerator. It is also not as "loud" at idle, compared to higher rpm (2000ish)
d) Noise is continuous, which leads me to believe its coming from all 8 cylinders, not just one or two.
e) Engine is still maintaining ~30psi oil pressure at idle, and pressure rises smoothly with RPM to 60+ and does not fluctuate at steady speed, hoses are NOT hard, and engine still has better power ("jump") than it did before the rebuild, so Im ruling out a bearing or fastener problem. Balance rates on the injectors are all +/-1 or so.
f) I am running the stock tune.

Could it possibly be valve adjustment? I do not have a rough idle, engine does not bog down under load (in fact, it runs damn good at higher RPM---Merchant can attest to that), and I get no "ticking" as when the adjustment would be too loose. I set them all at .012 using the method outlined in Alldata.

I am just wondering if I can somehow do a test to see if it is the injectors knocking? Maybe ramp up rail pressure with the DVT function in EFI to see? Is there a way to check injector flow rate somehow or can pulse tell me anything?

If it IS injector knock, and not something more serious, how do I "tune it out"?

Any help appreciated.
 
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MACKIN

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He said above there +/- 1 but out of curiousty have you pulled pilot fuel? Mine made wierd noises an rattled more I put the pilot fuel back to stock amounts no - 45% for bigger nozzles not sure why it is but that's what happen to me

Ya but he said he wants to rule them out. As stated easiest way is with a Tech II ( I imagine EFI works also) is to command off each injector and see if noise improves.


Best of luck
 

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Tom, I have had a similar noise since i did my heads and head gasket replacement, I also have been suffering from worse and worse fuel economy. I am averaging around 13 now. Towing is about 12. My noise goes away completely during the decel fuel cutoff when on the highway, and as soon as you hit the throttle again its back. It does follow rpm very nicely. I am assuming its not rocker adjustment because it does go away when the fuel is cut off, a rocker noise would still be there as the engine is still running and the valves are still going up and down. I doubt having actual combustion changes the load of a valve rocker much. I could be wrong though.
 

TheBac

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You can selectively shut injectors down with the DVT controls.

What do your balance rates show ??
In drive:
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In park:
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Rates measured this morning, engine temp about 180 (it was kind of cool out). Usually six cyl show rates under +/-1, and the other two are under +/-2.

Im running the stock 9044 OS tune with my B1010 changed for the regulator and 10% more pulse between 30-70mm3. No pilot changes, but I could try it if you explain to me what to do.

Trent and I talked last night, and he asked me to add 10% to the fuel pressure table and see what happens. Didnt change anything.
Then he thought to try losing 5* on the timing table (pressure table back to stock), and that didnt change anything either.

Like I said, I'll check the exhaust and converter bolts Saturday. Maybe this is just how the engine will sound now and Im being overly sensitive?
 

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paint94979

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I wonder why your balance rates look like that?... were these injectors gone through and balanced? or just tips?
 

TheBac

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Kyle, trouble is, it was doing it with the modded LB7 reg, too. I couldnt ever get the lope out of my idle with that LB7 reg, so when I was installing Rick's turbo inlet last weekend I changed out the reg too.

Paint, they were gone thru with tips. *sigh* I do not know if they were balanced, although I know the person who rebuilt them has that equipment....and you're the second person who's suspected there is an issue there. :(
 
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DAVe3283

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If it makes you feel any better, my balance rates are WAY worse than that. With less than 8k on the injectors, I saw +/- 3 in park, worse in drive. With 30k, it is the same, or a hair better. No lope, no smoke/smell, that's just how these injectors run. I personally wouldn't worry about your balance rates too much.

Good luck finding the noise, hopefully it is nothing.
 

403turbo

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Tom,

Can you try and narrow down the location of noise. Mechanic stethoscope or something? http://www.harborfreight.com/mechanics-stethoscope-41966.html

That will at least get you in the right area. Obviously after a rebuild the biggest worry is the bottom end. This would help me sleep better....I had a similar issue that turned out to be an exhaust leak but is tough to track down a noise on a noisy motor.

The DVT is a good idea also.

I ran an LBZ reg and even after re-mapping 1010(I think) and making many small adjustments I still had more "fuel noise" than with a LB7 reg. The fact that at idle your actual rail pressure is above the desired makes me think maybe things are still a touch high(low) on the curve.
 

S Phinney

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It could be that you are having an issue with air getting into the fuel system. Supply and fuel return fittings can leak and cause those type issues and are sometimes hard to find. If the diffuser fitting on the return in the tank comes off it will cause noisier injectors along with running out of fuel when 1/4 and below. Just some food for thought.
 

TheBac

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Havent had any issues with air, but you do make a good point.

I wonder...could the new "solid" motor mounts transfer noise to the cab, too?
 
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TheBac

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Exhaust is all tight and does not show any leaks (soot), so Im stumped. Maybe its just the way the engine will sound now. Im just going to drive it and no longer worry about it.
Thanks for the ideas and help guys.

About time to go to the track and see what she's got.
 
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dmaxvaz

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Havent had any issues with air, but you do make a good point.

I wonder...could the new "solid" motor mounts transfer noise to the cab, too?
my truck also has a little more noise after i replaced the motor mounts with the MA ones this past sat...
 

TheBac

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1600 miles and the noise is still there. Im convinced its the injectors. I tried raising main fuel pressure, and the noise became more pronounced. Raised main pulse, and noise still there. So Im thinking that these injectors may be pilot sensitive. Im going to try reducing pilot timing and/or pulse and see if thats helps.

Oh...last mileage reading was 14.55mpg. This sucks....but I did have a busted MAP sensor. Hope thats all it was.
 
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