Ford's new diesel.... not sure what to say

[hoot]

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I just looked at the article. I just want to say I hope Ford has good luck with it. I for one am so glad I still have my Dodge. No EGR, No Cat...

Anyway... this so-called Single Sequential Turbo the article states "a twin turbo setup in a single package". That is so far from the truth. It's a single turbo.... period. The two compressor wheels are identical albeit mirror images of each other. They are both mounted together on the same shaft. No independence. It's a single charger with a double compressor wheel. That in no way makes it a twin. True twins operate independently of each other.

This engine was designed from a total emissions point of view. I guess this is the trend. Again, thanks to Cummins and Duramax you can still get a diesel that's not an emissions engine from the ground up.

The aluminum heads are probably a good thing as long as they get the gasketing right.

Did you see it has two separate cooling systems? One to cool the engine and one to cool the EGR and the intercooler? One runs at 194 deg and the other at 122 Deg.

This one is surely a wait and see. Problem is who wants to be the guinea pig? Are there enough tried and true Ford lovers out there that will "test" this Mexican motor for Ford LOL.

 

[billygoat7c]

A few months ago, we saw a F-350 in full camo being towed in to the local ford dealer from high altitude testing...apparently it failed. :rofl:
I guess we know that they are testing them. It did have 5th wheel on the back of it too.

 

[lotsofmiles]

Oh, the ford guys are throwing their new motor in our face already.

 

[WolfLMM]

So it has two comp. mounted on the same shaft that are dimensionally the same? I would hope not.

If this is a true two stage compressor, however, it will be a lot more like twins than you would like to believe.

 

[WolfLMM]

So it has two comp. mounted on the same shaft that are dimensionally the same? I would hope not.

If this is a true two stage compressor, however, it will be a lot more like twins than you would like to believe.

Just read the article. Time will tell, I think that turbo will be a surprise. Its going to help response a lot having a reverse air flow through the heads.

 

[Jasondt2001]

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Did you see it has two separate cooling systems? One to cool the engine and one to cool the EGR and the intercooler? One runs at 194 deg and the other at 122 Deg.

This one is surely a wait and see. Problem is who wants to be the guinea pig? Are there enough tried and true Ford lovers out there that will "test" this Mexican motor for Ford LOL.

I saw the same thing about the dual cooled systems... It has me wondering if it's going to be an overheater.
The stack on our trucks are all seperate, but, HUGE... how do you shrink the space, and then split it and expect it not to heat up?
I'm not knocking it, if they get it figured out it's better for everyone! Just has me curious...

It sounds crappy, but, I wonder if Ford shot themselves in the foot with having it built in Mexico with all that's going on in the US job market. I know it pisses me off that it's being outsourced!
Not to mention the quality control aspect of a 'pioneer' engine from them in house :baby:

 

[z79outlaw]

There bound to finally get it right one of these days. Ford diesels since the 7.3 have been a massive failure so far.

 

[KEVINL]

Building them in Mexico is a big mistake

 

[duratothemax]

I think its going to be a good engine. Lots of promising interesting new technologies and I hope it does well.

Anyone who is dismissing it already is only doing so because they are subconsciously worried/intimidated/afraid its going to be the new benchmark... all you guys need to man up and admit that the ford guys have a good chance of blowing us away this time around.

 

[Jasondt2001]

I think its going to be a good engine. Lots of promising interesting new technologies and I hope it does well.

Anyone who is dismissing it already is only doing so because they are subconsciously worried/intimidated/afraid its going to be the new benchmark... all you guys need to man up and admit that the ford guys have a good chance of blowing us away this time around.

Easy, Ben... All I said is I can't see how making a cooling system smaller and offering more power can work out.
If they've done it - like I said, better for all of us... because it'll be in our trucks next if it works out well for them. That's the way it usually works anyways.
My truck's not fast, i don't have the money to keep it on the road and break records at the same time LOL, so if it beats me, it does. :coolspot:

 

[JoshH]

The pistons look eerily similar to LBZ pistons. I hope Dong Yang or whoever it is that make the LBZ pistons isn't a subsidiary of Federal Mogul. Also, did anyone else notice how the 6 head bolts aren't spread out symmetrically around the cylinder? There is a bigger gap between bolts between the pistons. One other thing I noticed is the the cheesy looking rocker arms. I like that they are using forged connecting rods and the reverse flow heads. I wonder how the compacted graphite block will work. Sounds like they used a lot of technology from the 4.5 Duramax. It will be interesting to see how it works.

 

[Mike]

Sorry Hoot for going OT but, I like this statement and like the volume of water it holds T or F.

From the above link.

The Bosch common-rail fuel system operates at up to 30,000 psi to send fuel to the engine’s 8 piezo injectors -- one per cylinder. Each injector nozzle has 8 holes and can deliver up to 5 injections per combustion cycle. Two pilot injections control noise levels, and a main injection is used for the power-generating combustion event. Two variable post injections are used to produce extra torque and for heating up emissions catalysts that scrub NOx and eliminate soot downstream from the engine. While cruising, only 3 or 4 injections will be needed.

 

[Big Block 88]

I am a Ford fan still based on how well our old 7.3's always treated us. The 6.0 we owned is what drove us to the Duramax. I hope Ford has success with this motor, it will make GM have to build the bigger badder D-Max

 

[z79outlaw]

I think its going to be a good engine. Lots of promising interesting new technologies and I hope it does well.

Anyone who is dismissing it already is only doing so because they are subconsciously worried/intimidated/afraid its going to be the new benchmark... all you guys need to man up and admit that the ford guys have a good chance of blowing us away this time around.

Lots of things sound good on paper. I wont rule anything out before its time, or tote somthing up to be great before its proven its self. Ford has alot of ground to makeup before it can prove itself to anyone.

 

[Cornell]

I think its going to be a good engine. Lots of promising interesting new technologies and I hope it does well.

Anyone who is dismissing it already is only doing so because they are subconsciously worried/intimidated/afraid its going to be the new benchmark... all you guys need to man up and admit that the ford guys have a good chance of blowing us away this time around.

:hug:

Competition breeds innovation

 

[Brayden]

Ball bearing VNT Very good for us Dmax owners.. Just hope I can find a truckload of the test chargers

 

[MaxPowerLB7]

I thought i heard the compressor wheels were counter rotating. I could be wrong though, i haven't really studied it. Interesting to say the least.

 

[Brayden]

They're on a common shaft. They are driving two compressors with one turbine. The VNT allows enough turbine hp to run this setup.

 

[Jasondt2001]

:hug:

Competition breeds innovation

Damnit - Why couldn't I just say THAT... It's what I meant; the words are all FUBARed though :rofl:

 

[Turbo Buick 6]

OMG they added the extra head bolts my piece of crap 6.0 should have had. I was always a die hard ford guy till I got that piece of sh*t. Ford can burn in hell after my legal battle with them