LLY: Engine Oil Filter: Reusable (HUBB) or Standard Canister?

[Bdsankey]

I have been seeing the Cummins guys taking a liking to the reusable stainless steel type filters (HUBB for example) for engine oil.

I am in the process of building my engine and am wondering if the reusable engine oil filters are worth their price or worth it in terms of protection?



I do not doubt the flow rate is higher than a canister filter.



I personally run AmsOil EAO52 filters on my truck now. Unless I can find proof that a reusable/cleanable filter is a truly better option then I will stick with that route and Cen-Pe-Co 20w50.

 

[Dozerboy]

I don’t see the point in a Duramax. They are so easy on oil and have such low wear numbers. Anything more then stock filtering isnt really needed. I have a bypass oil filter and wouldn’t of bought it if I could do it all over again. I have single digit wear numbers running Dino oil up to 16k. I could keep running the oil if I wanted, but the additives are starting to wear out at that point.


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[Bdsankey]

I don’t see the point in a Duramax. They are so easy on oil and have such low wear numbers. Anything more then stock filtering isnt really needed. I have a bypass oil filter and wouldn’t of bought it if I could do it all over again. I have single digit wear numbers running Dino oil up to 16k. I could keep running the oil if I wanted, but the additives are starting to wear out at that point.


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I am not so much concerned with the filtering as they all provide great filtering. My thoughts were more so on pure oil flow #s for higher rpm engines used in pulling.

 

[hondarider552]

No duramax is easy on oil. We run the hottest overall engine oil temps...

I don't care for the reusable stuff personally.

 

[Dozerboy]

No duramax is easy on oil. We run the hottest overall engine oil temps...

I don't care for the reusable stuff personally.

Temperature isn't everything and there are thousands UOAs out there that would disagree with you. Built engines and comp only vehicals changes things.

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[hondarider552]

Smallest oil cooler between the 3, less oil capacity compared to the rest etc.

 

[Chevy1925]

Smallest oil cooler between the 3, less oil capacity compared to the rest etc.

Just like a large pan on an Allison, more capacity won’t help temps. You know this... oil cooler isn’t the issue when coolant temps stay 20-30* within oil temp. The cooling stack becomes the issue

 

[hondarider552]

Point made.

Why is the dmax crowd the ones only worried about oil temps then?
I've never seen a Cummins with an added engine oil cooler, and a 6.0 liter needs one just to stay alive.in stock form :rofl:

 

[DAVe3283]

Point made.

Why is the dmax crowd the ones only worried about oil temps then?
I've never seen a Cummins with an added engine oil cooler, and a 6.0 liter needs one just to stay alive.in stock form :rofl:

The 6.0 crowd is concerned with oil temperature for sure. So not just Duramaxes.

And there are the odd nuts out there (me, at least) that tow with 660 HP and don't even monitor oil temp. So I don't think the engine has any particular issue with oil temps.

Not that any type of filter would change that. Honestly, the filter is only there to catch the really big metal parts when something goes really badly. Motorcycles use washable filters just fine. But I'm not sure it is worth the hassle when you can get an ACDelco PF2232 for $7 all day long.

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[Hambone]

The hubb cost to much money to get/ maintain
You have to drive your filter to a napa or someone with a sonic cleaner and they take about an hour-2 to clean depending on how dirty it is... I then asked how are they even selling any and he told me mostly ford guys and Jeep guys are buying them lol
To answer your question though on flow a dirty filter no matter what it is will only flow a certain % so if your worried of flow just change it every 5k or 500
A built motor shouldn’t be putting out any more material than a stock on (once broke in)
So your concern should be more on oil life :thumb:

 

[Chevy1925]

Point made.

Why is the dmax crowd the ones only worried about oil temps then?
I've never seen a Cummins with an added engine oil cooler, and a 6.0 liter needs one just to stay alive.in stock form :rofl:

i dont think you have looked around enough. its not like there are very many guys doing what the few of us do with 500-600 actual rwhp and towing heavy loads. for one, the 68 wont hold up to shit towing those loads even built. 2, ive seen 2 dodge trucks come through fred/marks shop with oil coolers on them for towing. 3, i have two buddies with 6.7 fords, we were all monitoring oil temps one trip to moab. The 6.7 was running the same temp as my dads 15.5 LML while they all had about 8k on the back. this was 230* oil temps/210* coolant pulling grades out of phx and flagstaff in 85-90* weather. the L5P runs even cooler on oil temps now, josh has the data to go with it. only issue with the fords were we couldnt pass a fuel station without having to stop. my god did they get shitty mpg.

 

[Bdsankey]

The hubb cost to much money to get/ maintain
You have to drive your filter to a napa or someone with a sonic cleaner and they take about an hour-2 to clean depending on how dirty it is... I then asked how are they even selling any and he told me mostly ford guys and Jeep guys are buying them lol
To answer your question though on flow a dirty filter no matter what it is will only flow a certain % so if your worried of flow just change it every 5k or 500
A built motor shouldn’t be putting out any more material than a stock on (once broke in)
So your concern should be more on oil life :thumb:

It is going to be getting 2500mi/10 pull change intervals with Cen-Pe-Co 20W50 Racing oil

 

[Bdsankey]

Just like a large pan on an Allison, more capacity won’t help temps. You know this... oil cooler isn’t the issue when coolant temps stay 20-30* within oil temp. The cooling stack becomes the issue

How are you monitoring oil temp on the duramax, which port are you using?

 

[Chevy1925]

It is going to be getting 2500mi/10 pull change intervals with Cen-Pe-Co 20W50 Racing oil

what are your main/rod bearing clearances. there is some interesting info on running a thicker oil if the clearances were not designed for it. oil will get hotter than thinner oil and eventually pressure drops to the same as the thinner oil but at a hotter temp

How are you monitoring oil temp on the duramax, which port are you using?

autometer oil temp gauge that is threaded into the top port on the oil cooler housing. this is "pre cooler" so you see close to the hottest temp the oil will be.

 

[Bdsankey]

what are your main/rod bearing clearances. there is some interesting info on running a thicker oil if the clearances were not designed for it. oil will get hotter than thinner oil and eventually pressure drops to the same as the thinner oil but at a hotter temp



autometer oil temp gauge that is threaded into the top port on the oil cooler housing. this is "pre cooler" so you see close to the hottest temp the oil will be.

1) I have not even dropped the block off at the machine shop. I don't know what the clearance should be but they said they could make sure the clearances are right. They are doing the machining and measuring it for bearings.

2) Good to know, I will have to add that to my sensor array on the CTS 2.

 

[Chevy1925]

1) I have not even dropped the block off at the machine shop. I don't know what the clearance should be but they said they could make sure the clearances are right. They are doing the machining and measuring it for bearings.

2) Good to know, I will have to add that to my sensor array on the CTS 2.

tell them the oil you plan to run, otherwise they will set it up around 15w-40.

 

[Dozerboy]

It is going to be getting 2500mi/10 pull change intervals with Cen-Pe-Co 20W50 Racing oil

There is such a thing as changing it to much. New oil isn't clean so you are introducing contaminants everytime you change the oil that the filter has to filter out

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[Bdsankey]

tell them the oil you plan to run, otherwise they will set it up around 15w-40.

Yep, already typed up on the sheet of work done I am handing them. What should clearances be on rod/mains/cam ect with 20W50? From what I've heard the benefits are fantastic on something that gets beat on day in-day out

 

[Bdsankey]

There is such a thing as changing it to much. New oil isn't clean so you are introducing contaminants everytime you change the oil that the filter has to filter out

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The trucks main use will be a hot street truck when its warm then fed a steady regiment of sled pulls. Hoping to pull 1-2 times a week all summer.

 

[Chevy1925]

Yep, already typed up on the sheet of work done I am handing them. What should clearances be on rod/mains/cam ect with 20W50? From what I've heard the benefits are fantastic on something that gets beat on day in-day out

thats going to depend on what the shop feels is best. i would be in the .0032-.0038 range if i was running that oil.