Fingers

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I looked into a few electric/hybrids before we bought our 2011 golf tdi(which can get 48 mpg when i really try)
Think about this
you are sitting above and in line with the batteries, generator and inverters and high voltage wiring
Now think of RAF associated with high voltage power lines
Society used to believe that it was safe to live under them, by them
lead paint and asbestos used to be considered ok too
Form your own conclusion

On another note, (weird coincidence?)
The second i made that last post, i got kicked offline
Hmmm

Don't know what your smoking partner, but pass it around. Its got to be some good shit.
 

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I'm sayin
dont drink the kool aid
Imo i dont believe electric hybrids are safe for our bodies let alone the earth
Im sayin
the powers that be will tell us(society )what ever we want to, and will believe
Until we find out its bad
Like- asbestos, lead paint, building homes within range of RAF(radio active frequency) of old school tv radio antennas and main line power(continental power mid west in the 80's) and even local main line powerlines have been built too close to for years
you cant even get a loan on some of these homes that have been built w/in the last 20 years cuz now the standards have changed and the home now falls into a hazardous condition guideline!
Im sayin we dont fully understand hybrid tecnology
We just got a better hold on the internal combustion engine, and due to new research, new cars employ egr mechanisims, which in another 20 years we will find out that further breaking down the gasses by reburning them is bad too, im sure of it.
what can we put down to the ground from diesel fuel 30% power potential/efficiency?
I say we continue to expand on an already powerful, promising, renewable, potentially super unbelievabley clean product that we have been utilizing for a century
DIESEL
junk the junk(electric hybrids)
 

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new technologies are developing, to incorporate steam back into things
build it (steam) right off the manifold, in other forms of hybrid diesels
I would way rather pour a gallon or two of water into a separate tank when i fuel up from my garage with bio that i made myself than plug into a wall and further strain our nations electrical grids charging hybrids
you know what electricity usage means=coal burning, more damn dams being built and a spike (forever) in power costs=bad idea
 

Mike L.

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new technologies are developing, to incorporate steam back into things
build it (steam) right off the manifold, in other forms of hybrid diesels
I would way rather pour a gallon or two of water into a separate tank when i fuel up from my garage with bio that i made myself than plug into a wall and further strain our nations electrical grids charging hybrids
you know what electricity usage means=coal burning, more damn dams being built and a spike (forever) in power costs=bad idea

You are a big wus. If the EPA walked into your garage they would condem it and throw you in prison. You have no safety program or monitors in case of a spill. If there was a catastrophy like a flood, you would probably kill half your neighbors. But yes you are the riteous one that knows it all.:rofl:
 

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Hahaha. Huh?
I know nothing
but i read about that hybrid steam/diesel in popular science or mechanics magazine a while back at a hospital
I dont have a bio station yet
i live on a hill
the flood just put iut yor fire:hug:
 

TheBac

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I still think a small diesel motor driving a generator to charge the batteries, and two or three electric motors on the wheels, is the way to go.
 

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Seen a golf cart run 90 mph in the 1/8th in South Carolina, all you heard was the rear tires biting for traction all 660 feet.

:D

Thats cool!
I drive electric go carts for fun all the time at a place called k1, they rip and you never stink after racing around in one, and yea neck snapping torque, but they do get insanely hot! And have a limited time span for hard use because of this. About 12 min before the motor safegaurds slow it down, most races last 8 to ten minutes but we have taken them up to 15 min of use before, you coulda fried an egg on the motor housing and boiled water on the heat sinks. The carts can be turned up to go appx 60-65 guys have been clocked there doin 58 down the back strait, pushin hard out and late into the corners
 

Osubeaver

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I still think a small diesel motor driving a generator to charge the batteries, and two or three electric motors on the wheels, is the way to go.

I don't know enough to do all the math and stuff on it, but one thing that still puzzles me about hybrid type things and electricity is the whole conservation of energy law or whatever.

The output can never be the same as the input due to efficiency loss. So they way I think about it, and I could be wrong, is using a fossil fuel to create electricity to run a vehicle is a step backwards. It takes so many units of energy to drive a vehicle so far in a certain amount of time (work) no matter how that's generated. If you add a step, don't you lose something? Now regenerative kinds of things like capturing energy during brakeing make more sense to me.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't make sense to burn coal to charge batteries and claim it's green. Quick search says around 40-60% of power is generated by coal. Wind, hydroelectic, nuclear all have their sticking points too.

So until that all figured out.....it's fill it with diesel or gas for me :rofl:

Edited to add: I also understand if you can significantly cut emissions or greatly increase efficiency from the generation of said power that could be an offset, but I don't know how that works either in practice.
 

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And here's the race from Portland Ken was talking about:

[youtube]MXdBmrwE1tM[/youtube]

Notice the title and the discussion below.
 

chevyburnout1

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I hate how the general public automatically assumes diesels pollute more just because it can be 'seen' or 'smelled'. I'd prefer to smell a diesel idling in the shop than any gasoline cars.
 

adeso

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The idea behind the hybrid cars is recovering the energy lost to braking-when we engine brake we are pissing away that energy. When they brake they turn the motor into a generator and recover the energy. Hybrids do their best in city driving. I know someone was playing around with a hydraulic system on I think a Allison to do the same thing, take that engine braking energy and turn it into potential energy, then release it in a controlled way to get the truck moving again. I think a lot of trains run a hybrid electrical system with a battery to store braking energy (I think not sure on that)
 

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So earlier i posted on this thread that hybrid electric vehicles produce excessive radiation in the form of RAF, I apologise, the radiation produced and emitted is actually EMF(electro magnitic field) i got two articles mixed up in my head
They do, i cant seem to drag the link to my post
A google search for excessive radiation produced by hybrids or what Israel's ministry of environmental protection studies of hybrids, their findings hold the truth
this article has been severely dumbed down from what the original article said, that i read over a year ago, before i bought my tdi. If anyone is interested you can find some info about this @ the truthe about cars or fastcompany.com
again this article read differently a year ago, and they made no distinction between previous and current models of the prius a year ago, and the vid of the prius all alone in rush hour traffic is gone too.
there is still enough damning evidence against electric hybrids tho
 

chevyburnout1

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The idea behind the hybrid cars is recovering the energy lost to braking-when we engine brake we are pissing away that energy. When they brake they turn the motor into a generator and recover the energy. Hybrids do their best in city driving. I know someone was playing around with a hydraulic system on I think a Allison to do the same thing, take that engine braking energy and turn it into potential energy, then release it in a controlled way to get the truck moving again. I think a lot of trains run a hybrid electrical system with a battery to store braking energy (I think not sure on that)

I actually just got a vehicle into the shop today that has a setup like that. Its from a local company here in town called LightningHybrids.com. Its a trick looking system however they just finished retrofitting a 2010 Express van and low-and-behold the ABS and SES light is now on :banghead:
 

Subman

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I don't know enough to do all the math and stuff on it, but one thing that still puzzles me about hybrid type things and electricity is the whole conservation of energy law or whatever.

The output can never be the same as the input due to efficiency loss. So they way I think about it, and I could be wrong, is using a fossil fuel to create electricity to run a vehicle is a step backwards. It takes so many units of energy to drive a vehicle so far in a certain amount of time (work) no matter how that's generated. If you add a step, don't you lose something? Now regenerative kinds of things like capturing energy during brakeing make more sense to me.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't make sense to burn coal to charge batteries and claim it's green. Quick search says around 40-60% of power is generated by coal. Wind, hydroelectic, nuclear all have their sticking points too.

So until that all figured out.....it's fill it with diesel or gas for me :rofl:

Edited to add: I also understand if you can significantly cut emissions or greatly increase efficiency from the generation of said power that could be an offset, but I don't know how that works either in practice.

Your too f***ing smart and too understated. That why I want you back with little red.:D