DEF Fluid Shortage?

4dailyrunner

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I heard that DEF fluid is getting harder to find?

Some correlate it with fertilizer etc. There are others that think it’s more conspiracy.

Thoughts?


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Cougar281

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This was posted on YouTube in an automotive channel I follow... May be something to it, may not....


Do you know what DEF fluid is? It's Diesel Exhaust Fluid. Every Diesel truck that has been made since 2010 is required to use it. It's a product made of 67% Urea fertilizer and 33% distilled water. Every diesel truck you see driving down the road today has to have this product to drive. The engines won't start without it. There are regulators inside the engine that mix DEF with the Diesel to reduce Diesel emissions. That's the purpose of DEF.
Right now, Russia is the largest exporter of Urea by a wide margin. Qatar is second. Egypt and China are Tied for 3rd. Both Russia and China have decided to no longer export Urea. On top of that, India is the largest manufacturer of Urea in the world even though they consume most of what they make. What little they would export..........they no longer do. They are now stopping the exportation of any and all Urea minus a deal they just cut with Sri Lanka.
What does this mean for you and me? Well, first, the United States imports most of it's Urea fertilizer. We are the third largest importer in the entire world. We depend on other countries to eat, drive and ship our products.
Secondly... Flying J is the largest Service provider for Truckers around the Unites States. I'm sure you've seen their massive gas stations when traveling around the country. Flying J gets 70% of their DEF fluid from shipments via Union Pacific railroad. UP has single user access to the Fertilizer plants that Urea/DEF fluid comes from. No other rail provider has access to these distribution points. This means Flying J can't just go around Union Pacific. Union Pacific is in charge....for a reason I'm gonna mention in a few paragraphs.
Flying J provides 30% of all DEF consumed in the United States. UP has told Flying J to reduce their shipments by a whopping 50%. And if they do not comply then they will be completely embargoed. That would in effect bankrupt FJ. This means that 15% of all DEF consumed by truckers in the US is no longer available at the largest travel service center for the entire trucking industry.
Rome rotted from the inside out. It was easily invaded because it was occupied with internal problems. It appears we have discovered the Trigger. DEF fluid. If this holds up, DEF shortages will be the catalyst that causes food shortages in the coming months. Not only is there a shortage of fertilizer to grow crops in drought-stricken states (See Kansas' drop in wheat production for 2022)....but....now it looks like, unless the Federal Government intervenes via the Defense Production Act, ...which I am no longer confident they will....there is gonna be an absolute massive shortage of trucking in the coming months.
There simply isn't going to be DEF fluid sufficient to keep the engines running and moving. Home Depot is now limiting the amount of DEF you can buy in their stores.
I would think long and hard about the decisions you are making right now. Where you live. What you spend money on. How you prepare. This is so real that the CEO of Flying J, Shameek Konar was summoned to a Surface Transportation Board hearing to give them all this info.
From what I'm reading....Blackrock is the majority shareholder of Union Pacific railroad. How is that important? Americas biggest fertilizer producer is CF Industries. Their largest shareholder is Blackrock. Blackrock controls the fertilizer industry in the U.S.. Union Pacific has exclusive rights to distribution points of fertilizer. Urea is fertilizer. Flying J needs Urea/DEF. Blackrock is controlling everything.
The Chairman of the BlackRock Investment Institute is Tom Donilon, President Obama’s former National Security Advisor. Tom Donilon’s brother, Mike Donilon is a Senior Advisor to Joe Biden. Tom Donilon’s wife, Catherine Russell, is the White House Personnel Director. Tom Donilon’s daughter, Sarah Donilon, who graduated college in 2019, now works on the White House National Security Council.
It appears Blackrock is spearheading the dismantling of the US system on behalf of the Globalists. And the first domino they are pushing over is the energy sector. They are using DEF to get the party started.

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Until you see it with your own eyes, it isn't worth believing

Well I saw it today. I went to a NAPA near me and they had two left on the floor. They were waiting for more to come in. On my way back home I stopped at a Piston Ring store and they had less than half of what they’ve always had. I bought two more. And the price has almost doubled since I bought my Duramax in May of 2021.


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Moved this into Smoke Signals. Will leave it up unless it becomes overly political, as per forum rules.
 

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until i see DEF pumps being taped off from a shortage, its going to be hard to make this a worry. trucks that are using this every day and driving every day are typically getting it at a truck stop via the pump, not in stores messing with jugs of it.
 

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The Urea % should be around 30 not 60+ like that post claims
That post also says that DEF is mixed with diesel inside the engine, which it is not.
Yes, you're both correct - but at the same time, the overwhelming majority of people have ZERO clue how this stuff really works. The person who posted it might way more about fertilizer and such than diesel engines. Like I said: may be something to it, may not be. Time will tell. 🤷

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Saw a news story on this a couple of days ago. It's a major issue down-under but the reporter said that 80% of US consumed Urea comes from Canada...
 

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Supposedly the shortage wasn't supposed to happen until late July/early August if what the president of Flying J said was true, as that was when the railroad was supposed to limit shipping quantities. In truth, what he predicts isn't an actual "shortage" from lack of product availability, but rather a shortage due to lack of transportation by "standard means" for DEF processing. ASSuming people are aware of the coming transportation issues (and being in the trucking business), they are making plans to help mitigate the impact (choosing to ship via truck vs rail). While it might stave off a shortage, I'm sure it's going to mean higher prices.

There was a video that got a lot of hits this past weekend about a truck stop with signs on all the doors saying they were out of DEF, but it could just be one station in one town that experienced an issue due to unforeseen circumstances. Until multiple truckers post from multiple locations, it shouldn't be an issue and most predict it won't happen until July if at all.

Here's the video where Mutha Trucker Asian Mai gives his thoughts
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmDq9AZ-a24
 

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Posts like this make me glad my main vehicle is gas powered and that my pickup is a 2002 so DEF wasn't even a concern.

I really hope we don't have a shortage, we have a hard enough time as it is now as a country with these INSANE fuel prices (yes, I know it's global) that it's starting to look real dim in the next 6-12mo.
 

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Posts like this make me glad my main vehicle is gas powered and that my pickup is a 2002 so DEF wasn't even a concern.

I really hope we don't have a shortage, we have a hard enough time as it is now as a country with these INSANE fuel prices (yes, I know it's global) that it's starting to look real dim in the next 6-12mo.
that's the biggest reason my truck is pre LML so no DEF to worry about but still the fun of diesel. My uncle just went through cleaning out and replacing bad DEF, nox sensors, etc on his. if this scare comes true it may drive him to sell the truck