DEF Fluid in fuel tank

Phj

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Has anyone else accidentally put def fluid in their fuel tank?
I looked up the outcome on line and it’s not pleasant to say the least, I’ve checked through my insurance policy and it does not state anywhere about accidental fuel contamination
Does anyone out there know if their insurance company covered this?
2021 L5P engine
 

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No idea on your insurance as that is going to be policy specific

But you are correct about it not being very good. I thought I remember a thread years back about it. Rust and corrosion was a big issue with it. Along with the high pressure fuel pump not liking the lack of lubricity and can die a quick death from it.

If this happened to you or someone you know, drain the tank and flush out all the lines including the high pressure lines and change the filter before running the engine. I'd probably also run a tank of B20 as it provides more lubrication then straight diesel. May also absorb any remaining moisture better then diesel does

Also, moved the thread out of the forum suggestions to general fuel and exhaust
 
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I find that odd bc they don’t discriminate against stupidity as far as I know. I’ve seen people get covered after accidents that only a moron could pull off, why not the moron who put def in their fuel tank?
 

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If someone else poisoned your tank it would be covered under Comprehensive, but doing it yourself... hmm don't think that'll fly. If so, the door would be wide open for a ton of claims from abuse - like standing on the throttle and blowing the engine etc. Think of it like coverage from act of God or Sabbotage (hail, deer collision, arson, theft, etc.). - that's Comprehensive Coverage. Your other coverages are Liability to others' and Collision... neither are applicable here.
 
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You think it is bad in a diesel engine, try a corporate jet! There have been numerous issues where the newer diesel fueling trucks that have a DEF system have contaminated this with Jet A fuel. What happens is some of the smaller FBOs (fix based operators) have fuel trucks that have the option of injecting Prist with their jet fuel. Prist is an additive that displaces moisture and helps with microscopic growth and prevents ice from forming in the jet fuel. The problem is the Prist tank is right next to the DEF tank on these trucks and there is not much to help distinguish between those two tanks. So line service can end up putting the wrong stuff in the wrong tank. DEF is mostly distilled water with urea. That much water ends up putting the main fuel filters in bypass due to the ice forming from being at altitude and slowly starves the engines. Being an aviation tech rep for a big aircraft manufacturer in my previous job I had dealt with this with one of my customers. You should see what DEF does inside of the wings and fuel filters once it dries. It forms a crystaline structure on the surfaces. A lot like frost. It is a massive job to get those aircraft back in service. All internal fuel structures need to be scrubbed clean. Lines all purged, all filters replaced, fuel control units (FCUs) and replaced and sent for overhaul and the engine fuel nozzles all get replaced. I got some pictures of it on my work computer. If anyone wants to see that let me know and I will load some up once I get back to work after the holidays.

With all that being said, I;m not a fan of having the DEF filler cap in the same cavity as the fuel cap. If it is possible to put the DEF in the fuel tank it will happen! You can only idiot proof things so much but with DEF it should be on the opposite side to where you fill up with diesel. IMO. Dean
 

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Sorry but im all for the def fill next to the diesel.
The convenience is far greater than under the hood like the LML. Keeps all that extra DEF fluid off of all kinds of electrical components too.

This argument is the same as if people grab the gas handle and fill their diesel truck full of gas. It’s not like all the diesel fuel pumps out there are riddled with DEF pumps next to them. You typically have to go to a truck stop and use the pump in the big truck area.

At the end of the day, there’s always an inherent risk owning and driving a vehicle. You need to read up and understand your own vehicle. those days are long gone and we have to prepare vehicles for idiots. That shouldn’t be the case. I like to side with, survival of the fittest.
 

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Sorry but im all for the def fill next to the diesel.
The convenience is far greater than under the hood like the LML. Keeps all that extra DEF fluid off of all kinds of electrical components too.

This argument is the same as if people grab the gas handle and fill their diesel truck full of gas. It’s not like all the diesel fuel pumps out there are riddled with DEF pumps next to them. You typically have to go to a truck stop and use the pump in the big truck area.

At the end of the day, there’s always an inherent risk owning and driving a vehicle. You need to read up and understand your own vehicle. those days are long gone and we have to prepare vehicles for idiots. That shouldn’t be the case. I like to side with, survival of the fittest.
Agreed.

How many forums are filled with posts about putting coolant in the brake reservoir or in the engine oil. Are they supposed to put the oil fill in the trunk, the brake fluid in the glove box and coolant in the back seat to avoid mixing fluids?

If the try and make it idiot proof, god will make better idiots. Keeping the def and diesel separate isn't going to fix anything but will make it more inconvenient for everyone who doesn't mess this up
 
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Well, I DO agree with the 'if you can't tell the difference' bit, but without SOLID, REAL PROOF to the contrary, I FIRMLY believe that the net benefit of DEF (and likely DPF as well) is negative when you consider EVERYTHING. Yeah, the effect is 'lower emissions' out of the exhaust of the trucks on the road equipped with this stuff... BUT... WHAT ABOUT EVERYTHING REQUIRED TO GET THERE? With DEF, it's a whole new industry, with manufacturing costs, both financial and environmental, then you have transport costs, financial and environmental, then you have the environmental disposal costs of all of the plastic jugs, and most likely other environmental costs that I'm not even thinking of.... And then they cite LA and/or San Fran with regards to smog, but there are reports from LONG ago, WAY before anyone was really out there, let alone internal combustion engines, of what was described as smog... So when it comes to LA & San Fran and smog related to ICE vehicles (which CA uses to try to drive all 'emissions requirements'), I have to call at least 50% BS. That's not the whole picture. But all to reduce something that plants can and do absorb to make their food... At the end of the day, I can't see how it's a net positive if you take EVERYTHING into consideration. I do honestly feel that when you look at EVERYTHING, the current emissions equipment is actually doing more harm than good.
 
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Well, I DO agree with the 'if you can't tell the difference' bit, but without SOLID, REAL PROOF to the contrary, I FIRMLY believe that the net benefit of DEF (and likely DPF as well) is negative when you consider EVERYTHING. Yeah, the effect is 'lower emissions' out of the exhaust of the trucks on the road equipped with this stuff... BUT... WHAT ABOUT EVERYTHING REQUIRED TO GET THERE? With DEF, it's a whole new industry, with manufacturing costs, both financial and environmental, then you have transport costs, financial and environmental, then you have the environmental disposal costs of all of the plastic jugs, and most likely other environmental costs that I'm not even thinking of.... And then they cite LA and/or San Fran with regards to smog, but there are reports from LONG ago, WAY before anyone was really out there, let alone internal combustion engines, of what was described as smog... So when it comes to LA & San Fran and smog related to ICE vehicles (which CA uses to try to drive all 'emissions requirements'), I have to call at least 50% BS. That's not the whole picture. But all to reduce something that plants can and do absorb to make their food... At the end of the day, I can't see how it's a net positive if you take EVERYTHING into consideration. I do honestly feel that when you look at EVERYTHING, the current emissions equipment is actually doing more harm than good.
I think we have a different thread for that. But we get your point