Anyone on here have exprience with Cryogenic Treatment of metals? Such as a Crankshaft? I wonder if it works as advertised and if it would even help prevent breakage. It's pretty cheap $150 ish
Cryogenic Treatment
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I've been wanting to know the answer to that question too. I'd do every part I could. I remember reading in DP Magazine awhile ago and Clint Cannon(sp) said it helped quite a bit.
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Cryo doesn't relieve stresses. It can also move during the process. I don't care who tells you other wise. Research it. If you want it to have every possible chance to live get it Metalaxed. www.metalax.com
Superdiesel:
NASA, Los Alamos Lab, Illinois Institute of Technology say you are wrong. While metallax is a good and useful process it cannot do a lot of the things that cryo can. Does it form fine carbides that increase wear resistance? Does it reduce vacancies in the crystal structure? Does it refine the atom to atom relationships?
As far as movement is concerned, relieving residual stresses will cause the metal to move whether it is done by cryogenics or vibration or heat. But the heat and vibration of use in the engine will cause the same movement. That being said, its a lot better for that to happen before assembly. Same with the growth caused by the transformation of retained austenite. Why settle for the limited effects of metallax when you can have the advantages of cryo?
Trippin,
What parts have you seen screwed up, and who processed them?
Funny, why does NASA use cryo on spacecraft if it screwes up parts? Properly done, it will not screw up parts. If you are having parts cryo'd by someone who dips them in liquid nitrogen, yes that will screw things up, but properly done there is no problem. Parts we processed are on over 50% of the NASCAR Sprint Cup & Nationwide Series lineup, and its fun to watch the guys who won't use it drop out of a race with broken transmissions, axles, pistons, valve springs, etc. By the way, Porsche cryo's a lot of racing parts.
NASA, Los Alamos Lab, Illinois Institute of Technology say you are wrong. While metallax is a good and useful process it cannot do a lot of the things that cryo can. Does it form fine carbides that increase wear resistance? Does it reduce vacancies in the crystal structure? Does it refine the atom to atom relationships?
As far as movement is concerned, relieving residual stresses will cause the metal to move whether it is done by cryogenics or vibration or heat. But the heat and vibration of use in the engine will cause the same movement. That being said, its a lot better for that to happen before assembly. Same with the growth caused by the transformation of retained austenite. Why settle for the limited effects of metallax when you can have the advantages of cryo?
Trippin,
What parts have you seen screwed up, and who processed them?
Funny, why does NASA use cryo on spacecraft if it screwes up parts? Properly done, it will not screw up parts. If you are having parts cryo'd by someone who dips them in liquid nitrogen, yes that will screw things up, but properly done there is no problem. Parts we processed are on over 50% of the NASCAR Sprint Cup & Nationwide Series lineup, and its fun to watch the guys who won't use it drop out of a race with broken transmissions, axles, pistons, valve springs, etc. By the way, Porsche cryo's a lot of racing parts.
I agree. Its a fancy word that sounds cool, but it doesnt help diddly crap in dmax apps.
Dont beleive me? Go cryo a set of stock rods and run 700rwhp. See how far that gets you.
Dont beleive me? Go cryo a set of stock rods and run 700rwhp. See how far that gets you.
I agree. Its a fancy word that sounds cool, but it doesnt help diddly crap in dmax apps.
Dont beleive me? Go cryo a set of stock rods and run 700rwhp. See how far that gets you.
It's not going to perform miracles, I believe it can make marginal or good parts a little better, but won't do crap if you're just plain beyond what the metal's structure can withstand.
Has anyone ever cryo'd anything? I want to hear experiences with it before I write it off as useless. Just my $.02