converter lockup

malibu795

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Do you mean it doesnt disengage under a WOT downshift? So you are going on the highway at 65mph, floor it, and the trans downshifts from 5th to 4th....you're saying your converter stays locked the whole time?? I would have to see a log of that to beleive it.

yes both in TH and normal.

on the logs there is only one step down not two.
 

duratothemax

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yes both in TH and normal.

on the logs there is only one step down not two.

Bu sometimes the converter relocks so fast that you dont feel it.


but it still does unlock, I can almost guarantee it. ;)

log TCC duty cycle % and then do a WOT 5-4 downshift...I bet you'll see it go from 97% to 0% then quickly back to 97%

or wire in a TCC lockup indicator light.

you can change all the tables you want, but there are still some key tables [that we dont have access to] that will override any changes you make to the tables that ARE availible to us.

I dont think people grasp just how little (comparativly) we can really change, and how complicated the TCM and its algorithms are. People think they can fire up EFILive, they see a hundred tables, and think they have the TCM/ECM wrapped around their finger because "wow it looks like a LOT of stuff!!". There is a lot that we cant touch. NOT stabbing at EFILive at all, dont take any offence to this Cindy/Ross/Paul. :) :hug:

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duratothemax

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Could it have something to do with your TAP Shift hyrbid experiment ????

All it is is an NSBU fooler. Brayden said he made one long before I even thought of it so I cant imagine it would mess anything up. The only thing it can alter is what position the TCM thinks the shifter is in. If it was changing anything, the PRND321 display would change.

I disconnected it just to see, and no change

ben
 

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Do you mind if I look at your tune? I'll PM you my email address.
 

malibu795

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tony i have not touched TAPS

iirc i set the scaner to log 10 frames a second that is 1 frame per 100millisecond with WOT shift time of 475mS i would see the change in rpm from one solid drop to several steps if the TCC was disengageing then re-engageing.

mind you stock WOT shift time for all gears range form 325-290mS and i am shure it is faster with a co-pilot.

im trying to backpedal to figure out how set that up. probly need a flashcan to do it.

josh if you are asking about mine sure.
 

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tony i have not touched TAPS

iirc i set the scaner to log 10 frames a second that is 1 frame per 100millisecond with WOT shift time of 475mS i would see the change in rpm from one solid drop to several steps if the TCC was disengageing then re-engageing.

mind you stock WOT shift time for all gears range form 325-290mS and i am shure it is faster with a co-pilot.

im trying to backpedal to figure out how set that up. probly need a flashcan to do it.

josh if you are asking about mine sure.

Bu, tony was talking to me, and he was not referring to the TAPS. ;)

Log TCC duty cycle %. You might not see the drop in RPM, but I bet you will see the solenoid turn off, then on again.

ben
 

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You're right.. the NSBU switch states won't affect anything.

All it is is an NSBU fooler. Brayden said he made one long before I even thought of it so I cant imagine it would mess anything up. The only thing it can alter is what position the TCM thinks the shifter is in. If it was changing anything, the PRND321 display would change.

I disconnected it just to see, and no change

ben
 

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FWIW, I WANT tap shift on my 5spd. :D Seriously, Ben if you ever fully figured it out, I want it. Same for you Brayden. That is just a slick feature!!


C-ya
 

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Oh yeah, I knew that. Sorry, didn't mean to rub it in. If it's any consolation, mine's not running either.
 

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FWIW, I WANT tap shift on my 5spd. :D Seriously, Ben if you ever fully figured it out, I want it. Same for you Brayden. That is just a slick feature!!


C-ya

it works. There are some things I want to change, like if you shift the "real" shifter to neutral, park, or reverse, the tap-shift manual mode automatically shuts off and reverts to normal. Right now this causes issues because the TCM gets confused. I also have to redesign some parts of the circuit because now it doesnt "stop" counting....ie, if you get to 5th gear and press "upshift" again, the counter circuit goes to 6 (or 7, or 8 etc..), and then the circuit returns a wierd signal to teh TCM and the trans limps. Use an AND gate or something, I dunno. Im not an electrical engineer by any means and have no previous knowledge of this stuff. But I wanted to make this tap-shift thing so I just read books and taught myself the necessary stuff for the sole purpose of making this [stupid] thing. :)


Brayden could make it 10x simpler than mine because he knows how to program those microcontroller chips. I dont; so I had to make the mini-computer the "old fashioned" way with logic gates, voltage compartators (to interperate the signal from the shifter buttons), up/down counters, BCD to decimal decoders, trnasistors, resistors, diodes, and other stuff that makes the whole thing WAYYY more complicated than it needs to be.

The schematic (for the circuit I designed) is really complicated and probably not worth duplicating unless you are using an atmel micro controller or BASIC stamp. I have hours and hours and hours alone into just soldering it together, let alone designing it. A programmable logic controller would work awesome too, but I have no idea how to program those.

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malibu795

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Oh yeah, I knew that. Sorry, didn't mean to rub it in. If it's any consolation, mine's not running either.

sorry Bu I was not aware that your truck was still down. :(

I know exactly how you feel...but it will be worth it soon enough when you get 'er running again. :cool2:

ben


hasnt moved since dave (the4wheeler) and i rolled it out of his shop. i am waiting on my med discharge paper work and severance pay. plan is 650-700hp if not more... among other things.

and i am keeping the 1056 ;)