Comparing gtx4294r to gtx4202r

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Did you read the info from that link? Garrett practically works out your exact situation and suggests you go with a 4202. If you want 850(I understand it's not your DD goal) I don't think you'll be pleased with how hard you'd have to work that tiny 4294. Of course you could always add some spray and gate the 4294. Don't forget those HP number Garrett is suggesting for the turbo's are at the crank and the 4294 max's at 950.

Yes I did, then I took the same info and applied it to the map of the gtx4294r and found it to be even more efficient, and have a smaller turbine wheel as well, so I figure that to be a win win situation:D yes I also realize those numbers are flywheel power #'s, I don't really ever plan or desire to achieve more than that, I see the benefit of being able to go bigger, but I am also considering the benefit of having a smaller turbine wheel to spin in daily driving duty, and possibly towing duty.
 

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I'm looking at the map on their site right now and you're not going to get more than 90-95 lbs out of that thing. That's just not enough to make the big power you want. Don't get me wrong the DD power you want would work great with this charger. Take it from someone who has gone through quite a few turbo's(always moving up) you will short change yourself with that puny 4294.
 

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Lol, I can't believe you called the 4294 "tiny" maybe it is idk, but I think it's a pretty big charger for a single, and only 4mm smaller turbine than the turbo you are suggesting I use, the 4202
 

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I appreciate your input greatly:hug:
I am only being the devils advocate to the 4202, don't get me wrong, I "think I want the bigger charger" but I don't know that it would be the best, so, that's why I am looking so strongly at the 4294, also why I am asking the questions I am:thumb:
 

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Just got a chance to look at the maps on something bigger than the screen on my droid phone :eek: , and now that I can see everything on a full screen, the choice seems pretty obvious, you guys are right, the gtx4202r looks like the better choice:thumb:

Thanks you for the input :hug:



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Just a heads up the turbine section is the same on both turbo's (82MM), even the trim is the same. That is why they share the "42" part number as this describes the turbine section. Go with the X4202R :thumb:
 

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surge is left side, where air will reverse flow and you get turbo bark. Choke is the right side where you cannot force more air in, and all you do is create heat, which funny enough will raise PSI but lower the lb/min flow rate (but keep near the same CFM)
 

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Just a heads up the turbine section is the same on both turbo's (82MM), even the trim is the same. That is why they share the "42" part number as this describes the turbine section. Go with the X4202R :thumb:

@ Dan- Yeah, I got that they used the same size turbine wheel, are they really the "exact" same, same inducer and exducer size on the turbine wheel? also I thought one was a 55 and one was a 56 trim? Not that it really matters, just curious

Thanks for the advise Dan:thumb:

On another page it shows both turbos use an 82mm turbine diameter, is that why they are showing both turbos doing the same #'s in the turbine chart?

So for the gtx4294r Garrett says this
Compressor inducer diameter- 70.30
Compressor exducer diameter- 94.0
Turbine diameter -82

The gtx4202r
Compressor inducer diameter- 75.80
Compressor exducer diameter- 102.30
Turbine diameter -82


Nice, thanks:hug:
 

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Same turbine section. Garrett naming convention is first two digits=turbine selection, second two digits=compressor exducer diameter.

GT4294r=gt42 frame, 94mm compressor wheel outer diameter at exducer.
GT4202r=gt42 frame, 102mm compressor wheel OD etc etc...

Fluid mechanics off of charts is easy, the key is getting units converted to
Match, and knowing when to convert between mass flow and volumetric flow. Turbos are matched by determining your goal power output, calculating fuel and air required for that power based on volumetric efficiency and a realistically less than stoichiometric combustion efficiency. The ammount of air required can be approximated in volume using your average atmospheric conditions (convenience property is "density altitude"), make sure it's a realistic volume to put through the given engine, and then you select the turbo you'd like and find what pressure ratio and efficiency it would be operating at for that hp level. That's 1 point on a chart. Now calculate for many rpm points and throttle positions for driving conditions other than "full throttle, 3500+ RPM" and see how the turbo really "fits" the engine for all your potential uses.

To match compounds take the output from the turbo above and select a pressure ratio like 2.5:1. Figure out what mass of air it flows under those conditions, then convert that mass back to volume at the new higher pressure and temp, then repeat the process to find a smaller turbo matching the larger turbo's mass flow but at a lower volumetric flow since air is already compressed.

It's like gypsy magic but nerdier.

The info from Garrett is generally tailored to crank hp in gassers, so take hp claims with a few grains of salt. That said Garretts historically continue performing at the bleeding edge of published compressor maps.

With your overall goals I'd go 4294. If you're not happy put a 4718 overtop and blow s*** up. If your wife is that cool tell her the Internet told you to do it. She should be understanding.

-Mark
 

Magnus

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Oh and other forums have some turbo selecting and matching info... Like have you seen many TDI compound kits for sale? But there are compounded TDIs running around...

You don't have to follow everyone's builds or pay big money if you can prove for yourself something is a good idea and get resourceful.