Chevy challenges Ford to HD towing contest, gets turned down

Poltergeist

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Numbers like maximum horsepower, torque and tow ratings are the heart and soul of the full-size heavy duty pickup truck segment. No shocker there. But how much reliance can consumers actually put on figures provided by the manufacturer? And, keeping in mind that the average test drive doesn't include hooking up a ten-ton trailer, how might we all get a proper frame of reference when judging one massive diesel beast with another?

Such questions may soon get an answer... other than this one, decided upon just a few weeks back. It seems that General Motors has issued a pretty straightforward challenge to Ford: a towing duel up mountain grades, followed by a comparison of factory-issued exhaust brakes on the way back down. (Sorry, Ram... guess you're not invited out to play.) Seems simple enough, no?

Here are some relevant statistics: Ford's (reflashed) 6.7-liter Power Stroke diesel V8 engine punishes the tarmac with an even 400 horsepower and 800 pound-feet of torque. That's class-leading, as GM's 6.6-liter Duramax pumps out 397 horses and 765 pound-feet. Looking at those numbers, Ford wins... right?

Not so fast, says Chevrolet Silverado Marketing Manager Tony Truelove, "Numbers on paper are fine," he said. "Let's go work these trucks in the mountains, and may the best truck win." To which Ford Trucks spokeswoman Anne Marie Gattari replied, "We challenge our trucks against the competition in grueling prove-out tests continually, and the customer gives us the results – sales leadership year after year."

That's right, The Blue Oval plainly and unsurprisingly declined Chevrolet's invitation. But the show must go on, and our friends at Pickuptrucks.com promise to be on hand in their very best black-and-white-striped shirts to serve as referees for the main event. Let's get ready to rumble!
 

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U.S. Light Vehicle Retail Sales - September 2010
Final Results

Sep 2010 Sep 2009 %Chng. 2010 CYTD 2009 CYTD %Chng.

General Motors Corp. 173,031 155,195 11.5% 1,634,731 1,529,975 6.8%
Total Cars . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 61,298 67,886 -9.7% 628,339 667,798 -5.9%
Total Light Trucks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 111,733 87,309 28.0% 1,006,392 862,177 16.7%
Ford Motor Company 160,375 109,525 46.4% 1,436,737 1,187,375 21.0%
Total Cars . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 54,601 38,890 40.4% 524,645 446,772 17.4%
Total Light Trucks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 105,774 70,635 49.7% 912,092 740,603 23.2%
Chrysler LLC 100,077 62,197 60.9% 820,220 715,516 14.6%
Total Cars . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 29,550 17,806 66.0% 236,469 169,752 39.3%
Total Light Trucks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70,527 44,391 58.9% 583,751 545,764 7.0%



gm 1,006,392 ford 912,092 dodge 583,751

I get a kick out of how ford is always saying they are #1 in sales when they must not be adding chevy and gmc #'s together
 

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Read one of the big Diesel mags the other day don't remember which but it's out right now, anyhow, it's the big three challange. I was actually shocked that GM won basically all the challanges. best milage, most horsepower, best acelleration empty and with 10k. Go GM. Looks like Ford put out another one of their better ideas - with alot of chrome on it.
 

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gm 1,006,392 ford 912,092 dodge 583,751

I get a kick out of how ford is always saying they are #1 in sales when they must not be adding chevy and gmc #'s together

I read somewhere that Ford's claim to the "best selling line" of trucks includes all F series vehicles (150, 250, 350 450, etc) and that GMC and Chevy are counted separate from each other in the stats.
 

Big Block 88

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I beleive a few years back GM made a big stink abiout ford saying they were best selling, and the commercails for a while did say something like best selling single truck manufacturer...

I see they just say best selling truck how ever many years running. It is BS and they know it, but you know how Ford boys are about there blue ovals, anyine who stayed by fords side through the 6.0 is one sad fella
 

DAVe3283

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Diesel power magazine went ahead and did the challenge, and lets just say it will leave a mark.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html
Ouch! That isn't just a small difference between the two trucks. That's total domination. Lol, and they are so similar on paper. I'd guess either:
a) Ford is over-estimating their power numbers
b) GM is under-estimating their power numbers
c) Both :D

I love the grade braking results too. Dang, now I want one of the new trucks. Where'd I leave that gold mine???

And one final LOL @ the Dodge guys: the payload is so much less, it wasn't even legal to test it in the same league as the Ford or GM. Cracks me up!
 

scratchrob13

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they rate them at crank hp though correct?

Yeah, msot everyone does crank... so they can print a bigger number.

397 hp is the rating at the crank, Mike put down 355 iirc... that is not a lot of drivetrain loss... so I would bet they are higher than GM puts on paper.:thumb:


*edit* I see what you are getting at now... I was saying that looking at the numbers at the wheels, GM's at the crank numbers must be low... no sarcasm. I hate the intrawebs!