Camper Causing Truck To Limp. P0087 Code

Ne-max

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I need help with my buddies truck. Its a bone stock 2006 lbz dually with 90000 miles on it. Very well maintained.

So here is whats going on. 1 year ago he took the truck to Colorado hauling his 40ft 5th wheel toy hauler. On his way into Colorado it limped out on him. He took it to the dealer and they changed some sensor in fuel tank. Ran good for about 100 miles then did it again. After being screwed by the dealer he babied it home. Once home it quit doing it. Well after hauling his skid loader and dump trailer all the time with no problems he though maybe it was just a bug. So then last week he went to go to Colorado again and truck did the exact same thing. Took it to one dealer and they changed his filter head. Had a P0087 code(low rail pressure) Got down the road again and did it again within the hour. Then he took it to a different dealer to have it looked at. After they diagnosted the truck they said it needs injectors. After the dealers have been wrong twice he don't know what to do.

The Problem I am having is the truck will not do it around here so I can do any data logging with my v2. I am just confused cause its ran perfect for the last year towing around home but only has issues out in Colorado. Only thing I could guess is fuel and motor gets hotter in the higher altitude.

Please point me in the right direction.
 

jlawles2

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Have you thought about the fuel filler cap? Could be restricted and not letting air in as needed. Pulling the camper he probably goes much longer between stops and the tank does not have time to equalize.
 

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I have been fighting a 2006 doing the same thing. He can pull his 3,000# boat 6-7 hours straight with no problem, but when the camper gets behind it, P0087 within an hour or so of driving. I have put a lift pump on it set to 10psi, shimmed relief valve, bottle tested it while it happened and it had 0 fuel. Replaced all the fuel lines from the gm bulletin. All return tests from injectors passed with flyig colors. I was in the other day and got it to limp. Fuel temp was at 170* desired vs actual was mirroring perfect. On flat ground at 63mph 1900 rpm, 60% throttle it commands 170 mpa and it was slow to catch up and set the code. It was getting 130+mpa and climbing but didn't climb fast enough. I have been chasing this problem for a year and can't figure it out. Absolutely only does it with the camper too. Good luck
 

jlawles2

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Another thing to check since you replace the lines would be the fittings on the CP3, fuel rail, and filter. May need to drop the tank and see if there are any restrictions in the pick up assembly.

Might try replacing / check the fuel rail pressure sensor and FPRV.
 

Harbin_22

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It maintains 10#'s of fuel pressure up to the cp3 the entire time. It really seems like it happens at random times for no reason. Sorry OP too, just sharing my experience with this subject.
 

baggedLB7

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Dont know if you have checked but is the fuel line or one of the lines off the tank possibly kinked a little and when you put on the camper on the weight over the bed is possibly kinking it a little more restricting flow.
 

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Converter wouldn't cause the p0087 code though. I just don't want to throw parts at it and have it do it again on his next trip. I'm thinking of doing a air dog and checking his return rates.
 

jlawles2

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Harbin_22 with the lift pump it maintains 10 psi measured to where?

For both, could it be that one of the fuel lines has came apart and a piece is lodged in one of the fittings? Might seem strange, but it is possible to maintain high pressure and very little flow. This would also explain why it is slow for the rail pressures to rise. Try adding a double dose of Power Service Diesel Kleen or similar. If the issue gets better or goes away, I would suspect bad fuel along the way somewhere (possibly water) and it has caused damage to the FRPV (I think that is the correct one) on the back of the CP3.
 

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Have you thought about the fuel filler cap? Could be restricted and not letting air in as needed. Pulling the camper he probably goes much longer between stops and the tank does not have time to equalize.

my cap is sealed, I have a 105 gal aux tank plummed into the main tank, open the aux, it drains into the main and off I go, untill I decide I dont want any more fuel in the main, the main fills up to the cap and stops, no fuel leaks out
 

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Below is some information I have collected from various sources and by no means is it an exhaustive list of causes/solutions for P0087. Personally, I think that the heat in the fuel is the cause of the problem, but what to do about it is unknown. I have never read of anyone who measured the fuel temperature when the Poo87 occurred, so don't know what 'hot' really means or if that is consistently a factor in the problem.

It is noted that no one with an LML is complaining of P0087 - so there may be something of a hint at the cause that does not occur with the new trucks, but what it is, I don't know.

Problems associated with P0087 – low fuel rail pressure, usually while pulling loads, usually when hot.

Conditions for Setting the DTC

P0087
The actual FRP is more than 15 MPa (2,176 psi) below the desired FRP. OR
The actual FRP is less than 22.5 MPa (3,263 psi).

Water or gasoline contamination of the fuel may cause this DTC to intermittently set.
When ambient temperatures are below 0°C (32°F), the fuel tank pickup screen may be iced over from water in the fuel tank.
When power enhancing devices have been attached to the fuel rail pressure sensor circuits, this DTC may set and adversely affect the fuel system components.
If the fuel pressure relief valve is not torqued correctly, the valve will leak fuel into the fuel return system causing this DTC to set. The fuel pressure relief valve uses a bite type seal, and proper torque is essential for valve to rail sealing. Refer to Fastener Tightening Specifications.
High fuel injector return flow may cause this DTC to set.
The addition of fuel system enhancements, such as auxiliary fuel tanks or add on fuel filters may relate to driveability complaints.


Important: If the fuel temperature is near 121°C (250°F) during the duplication of the complaint, or in the Failure Records for this DTC, inspect for a restriction in the fuel cooler air flow or the fuel heater always ON.
Circuit/System Description

The fuel filter/heater element housing consists of a water separator, a hand prime pump, fuel heater element and a filter element. Fuel passes through the fuel heater, which is operated by a built-in thermostatic switch. The thermostatic switch opens or closes to turn the heater ON or OFF, depending on temperature. Fuel then passes through the filter and the water coalescer, where the droplets of water in the fuel combine into larger drops that fall into the water reservoir in the filter. When fuel flows to the fuel injection pump, the fuel is clean and free of water.

Circuit/System Testing

Check the Water in Fuel lamp for proper operation. Refer to Water-in-Fuel Lamp Always On. See: Computers and Control Systems\Testing and Inspection\Component Tests and General Diagnostics\Water-in-Fuel Lamp Always On
1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
2. Disconnect the fuel heater connector.
3. With the fuel temperature above 21°C (70°F), test for continuity between the ignition 1 voltage terminal and the fuel filter/heater element housing.
If continuity was present, the thermostatic switch is stuck ON. Replace the fuel heater element.
Repair Instructions

Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.

Other solutions/information:

Collapsed fuel lines near the transmission – replace the lines
Collapsed fuel lines near the engine on drivers side near the PCV connector – replace the lines

hot fuel – could be the heater is heating all the time, not just when it needs heat.

hot fuel – could be that the fuel returning to the tank isn't being sufficiently cooled by the fuel cooler which is located under the truck just in front of the fuel tank. It can become clogged with mud and other road debris. Wash it out with a garden hose or at the car wash.

Leaking fuel head – the fuel head could have a leak in it at the o-ring, or the fuel filter might not be properly sealed, or the water sensor on the bottom may be leaking vacuum.

Leaking injectors – if the injectors leak too much (return too much fuel to the tank) this can cause the fuel pressure to be too low in the fuel rail. Only fix is to identify the offending injectors and replace them. i.e. 7 injectors may reutrn 2 and one returns 9, replace the one returning 9.

CP3 could be working incorrectly – not producing enough pressure

FPRV may be releasing pressure prematurely – not holding enough pressure

Fuel tank restriction – one person reported that the fuel pickup line was restricted with foreign material in the fuel tank. Removing the debris solved his problem.

One report said it was a dirty MAF. Cleaned with cleaner and problem solved.


Another possible problem that I have run into a few times is people who live on or drive on loose rock roads alot. I have found damage to the return fuel cooler in front of the fuel tank. It can get pin holes in the core from the rocks flying off of the tires. There is also a TSB about the 1/2" supply hose coming from the tank to the steel fuel line above the fuel cooler. Older models had a rubber hose where the new ones have a plastic hose.

My fuel line was pinched before the filter base and a o ring must have been junk on the filter base so it was sucking air in when the lines kinked off when it got hot under the hood with a large load behind the truck. New fuel lines and filter base and it has been good for 20k miles now....
 

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Update on the truck I am fighting. It is fixed. He drove almost 4 hours with the camper and zero problems. He couldn't make it over an hour or so before. I put a Derale cooler on the fuel feed line and no more problems. I took the feed line from the drivers side back by the glow plug module and routed it out front of the stack into the cooler. From the cooler, over to the passenger side at the fuel filter. Gonna end up relocating the filter too, to get it away from the heat.

Cooler came from summit along with the fittings. I just used parker push loc 1/2" hose since the truck has a lift pump on it. Not sure if that hose would be good with the cp3 pulling fuel.

Cooler part number - DER - 15300
Fittings part number - DER - 98202
 

Ron Nielson

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Interesting. Hot fuel. Any idea if the fuel heater in the fuel filter/heater element housing was staying on all the time? Or what the actual temp of the fuel was when the problem was occuring?

Sure is good to hear that someone fixed their P0087 problem. Lot's of others have not.
 

Harbin_22

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I was logging it at one time and it limped while I was logging. The fuel temps was around 170*. Not sure what they are now. He drove home 4 hrs in 90* weather and it never limped.
 

Ron Nielson

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The thing that seems to be common in the P0087 situation is HOT FUEL. It just doesn't seem to happen when the fuel is 160* but at 170* and above there are problems. If the fuel stays cool, no P0087.

Clean the fuel cooler under the truck. And I've been thinking that it might be worth it to insulate the fuel lines from heat sources. Maybe something as simple as a couple of layers of aluminum foil or maybe even some header wrap.

Many people have reported that they have replaced injectors at great $$$ cost, but the problem soon resumed. They have reported that they have replaced the CP3 pump. Problem returned. I like the fuel cooler in front of the radiator idea. May have to rethink that when it's freezing cold outside, but I like it during the hot weather.
 

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Go to Autozone. Buy $100 computer that plugs into truck. Reset code. Go on your way. Sometimes will last 5 minutes, sometimes will last rest of the day. Frustrating but beats $6000 for injectors that may or may not fix problem and beats $60000 for new truck that already have recalls for bad head gaskets. You will not fix this problem so just learn to work around it like I have.

James
 

Ne-max

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Go to Autozone. Buy $100 computer that plugs into truck. Reset code. Go on your way. Sometimes will last 5 minutes, sometimes will last rest of the day. Frustrating but beats $6000 for injectors that may or may not fix problem and beats $60000 for new truck that already have recalls for bad head gaskets. You will not fix this problem so just learn to work around it like I have.

James

We ended up shimming the relief valve and rebuilding the fuel filter head. That took care of that issue. Two months later he had a leaky head gasket. Said screw it and got a LML. He is not the type that will throw problem to the side and does stuff right. Nothing is worse then a truck limping out in the mountains pulling 18000+ pounds.