Calc'ng Injector size against airflow, How?

othrgrl

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I'll add some personal experience to it.

I had 90hp Dynomite Diesel injectors in my truck with the 68mm Cheetah and my EGTs wouldn't go over 1400* at WOT 4WD runs to 120mph. My PW was at 1960, timing didn't go above 26* and I was running 12.36 at 108. After the headers and up-pipes I installed a drive pressure gauge and started playing with turbo tuning to get rid of drive pressure. I was to where it wouldn't get over 1250* no matter what I did and it was feeling a good bit faster than my 12.3 runs.

I do tuning for a guy in AZ that has the same setup as I do except for stock injectors. I set him up with my tune but with fueling and timing for stock injectors (same style of tuning just higher numbers) he ran 12.66 and his EGTs get much higher than mine did. His altitude accounts for some of it and I forget his trap speed but know it was a few mph slower than mine.

On my built motor I will be using 100% over injectors and plan to keep my PW under 2200 and my timing down while getting enough fuel for a 3.0 charger. IMO big injectors have proven to run the same or more power with lower EGTs. Jneals truck dynoed 730hp and ran 11.55 with 60% overs, a 71.5mm cheetah and dual fuelers - on fuel with a stock LBZ motor.

On a side note I hate HP ratings on injectors - we don't have a Cummins that is limited by a smarty stacked with whatever else. I can take a stock truck and add 120 hp to it with tuning or take a truck with "120hp" injectors and take out fueling to make it run just like stock. IMO actually flow ratings and % over ratings (based on flow rates, not hole sizes) are much more realistic for EFI Live users and will make tuning for bigger injectors much easier.
 
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S Phinney

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Tuning is everything. The right combo will perform better than the biggest and baddest. I use 40 over injectors in my daily driver. The key is to cut pulse width and ramp pressures accordingly with the particular combo. There is no need for the really big injectors. 40 over equate to "in theory" 120hp over stock. You will definitely need the extra cp3.
 

othrgrl

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I know a truck that is very fast running 100 over injectors. :secret:

This summer you will know of at least one more.

100% over is too big imo

How is it too big? Have you even ran or tuned for bigger injectors? A bigger turbo?

With 100% overs I should be able to keep my PW under 2200 and keep the EGTs down while still getting plenty of fuel to support the 3.0 :secret: charger. EFI Live gives us almost infinite adjustability to get it tuned in. Start by de-tuning the entire table to get the part throttle areas right then add to the WOT - run your timing accordingly.

JuddSki - I got them used from a member here last year and didn't get a spec sheet with them or anything. The only specs I have is that a 1960PW on a single CP3 was enough fuel to run 12.36 @ 108 in a 6500ish lb truck.