Allison 6sp: C5 Toast again ?

Gutruk

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Been right through valve, nothing sticking or out of place, faces are fine no nicks or burrs around c5 ports. Other clutches still fine.
C5 must be gettting signal to drag like it has, even with crook converter it should still get enough lube ?
Maybe the tcm is crook and just not throwing code... getting a bit bewildered now!

Have spent the day stripping trans again. Mechanically I can find nothing wrong (other than incinerated C5 clutch, "toast" just does not cut it ..) C3 is a little average but it did get some heat.
PPE stage 5 clutch kits were fitted.
C5 piston and seals still all fine, no issues there. No cracks of other damage evident.
So, valve assy appears fine, checked all solenoids, wiring and valve arrangements. No issues apparent. Mating faces on body, plate and trans ports appear fine, no indication of anything that could leak pressure into C5.
Checked pump assy and all control valves, nothing out of place here. All we did previous was add shim to main regulator and update converter flow control valve to the .900 spacer and spring.
From a process of elimination and also learning how this thing works (I am Cat fitter with 37 years exp) I am still leaning to the TCM, something must be telling the control circuit to pressurize the c5 for whatever reason. The valve body, valves and solenoids really do what they are told (correct me if I am wrong) and from the data I have this area appears fine. Plus it was previously shifting fine and no codes for a very long time. Over 2 years ago and shortly after the conversion into my vehicle I did experience a couple of random overheats in the trans, these went away after disconnecting everything. Since then I have had some warm temps but nothing major like now.
Putting the noisy new converter aside, I still have a problem in C5 that I have not resolved, only made it worse by upgrading Trans and upping the line pressure !
Your thoughts and comments on this are much appreciated from "down under" as tech support etc here on these is very scarce !
I do have a spare TCM from a LBZ but its still a A40 so that should work yes ?
 
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Mike L.

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Need pictures of front of stator support showing shaft clearly. Pictures of valve and springs for stator support as they came out. Pictures of C5 stack ( bottom to top ) clearly showing pressure plate as it came out. without these pictures I have no idea.
 

juddski88

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Are you running a LMM OS that is compatible with the tcm model and OS you're running? Not saying it's your issue, but I'm curious what you're trying to mate together.
 

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Gutruk

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Yes it does sound same, my tcm is original with the conversion and not tuned that i know of. Just finished reassemby again, nothing found out of ordinary. Even solvent checked passages to check for porisity. C5 must be getting pressure when it shouldnt, toying with idea of drilling back passage and installing gauge in it. Cant hurt and then i will know...
 

Gutruk

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Need pictures of front of stator support showing shaft clearly. Pictures of valve and springs for stator support as they came out. Pictures of C5 stack ( bottom to top ) clearly showing pressure plate as it came out. without these pictures I have no idea.
Sorry was a bit late and had most back together, all valves assembled as per manual with only mods being shim on main reg and spacer on converter flow. More pics of c5
 

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Gutruk

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A local guy here with some Allison experience suggested the A40 TCM is troublesome at best and my problem is either a TCS 2 solenoid or the TCM. As either can have a fault but not throw a code. Also suggested I run it up with no drive shaft on hoist at light throttle and listen for any lug when it shifts out of first and through other gears. Sounds like a good process..
Any thoughts or comments? Do you hear or see a lot of A40's go out over there ?
Thanks
 

Gutruk

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Update ! rebuilt C5 and checked all other components. Installed donor valve body off a running vehicle with no issues. Start up today and checked pressures, all good. Did testing on hoist with no driveshaft and there appeared to be no drag like before. Temp fine. Installed shaft and took it for a run up hwy, now running lower boost levels and EGT at 100Kph. Temp only got to 77 C max and actually cooled 3 deg on the dirt road back to home, looks like the problem was in the valve somewhere....
Shifting great! Thanks for your support and input, I do appreciate it as we only have a limited exposure to these Engines/Trans over here.
 

Gutruk

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Its a custom one about 24" across, stacked behind intercooler. Planning to fit external fan driven one under my tray, these work better and gives the radiator, AC and Intercooler more chance to work better !
only got to 67 deg c this morning on my hwy run of about 25ks, also noted EGT was down to about 290 - 305 deg c and boost was lower too at around 3 to 4 psi. Obviously the c5 has been dragging for some time...