Acceleration and Top Fuel Dragsters!!

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I got this in an email-pretty cool when you think about it!!

One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch (7.7 liter) Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500. Under full throttle, a Top Fuel dragster engine consumes 1½ gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced. A stock Dodge 426 Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster's supercharger. With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane, the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F. Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder. Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half. In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence. Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light! Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load. The red-line is actually quite high at 9500 rpm.

The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated$1,000.00 per second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).

Putting all of this into perspective:

You are riding the average $250,000 Honda MotoGP bike. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the RC211V hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph (293 ft/sec). The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your wrist cranked hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.
Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.

That folks, is acceleration.
 

mytmousemalibu

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Read that before! Pretty cool stuff! Anybody remember here a few years ago, Tony Pedregon's incident? After the burnout in the funny car, they back up and lift the body to make adjustments for the run. The body caught the throttle linkage on the injector hat and opened it! The car jumped, bowling a crew member over but hid crew chief, Dickie Venables was standing next to the headers when it happened. The exhaust force blew his pants off! And gave him 2nd and 3rd degree burns, picking him up and throwing him like a rag doll, and he's a big guy! I had a close call with that myself! On one instance, firing up our Nova, im infront of the car to shoot alcohol into the hat to start the car, my dads foot slid when cranking it over and cracked the throttle open an 1/8 inch and it fired and instantly hit about 6-7,000 rpm and about ran over me! The clutches in Fuelers and like are centrafugaly weighted so much that once a certain RPM is reached, you can NOT physically disengage the clutch by foot till rpm falls. I can squat around 350lb and i cant do it, the pedal will outpower me and push back! Nuts!


I can add some info to this somewhat too...

T/F spark plugs have no ground strap, arc goes from the center electrode across to the edge of the body. The electrode is also resseced in there a good bit! A differant heat range is used just for warm up. These engines are solid, no cooling, just by the fuel and air moving through them. Even our P/M Blower prolly needs approx 2500HP to spin at WOT.
Fuelers have a ton of mechanical injection nozzles, both sides on the "hat", the blower case (keeps back of the rotors lubed and cool) 2 per intake runner per cyl, and 2 per cylinder under the valve cover spraying right on top of the intake valve. For our P/M ignition, We ran Mallory Ultra-Mags by Don Zig and they are 33amp iirc and frighten me the spark is so intense!

I have some T/F, T/A, P/M parts i can get some pics of af anybody wants to see some:D;)

Top fuel-fuel comsumption!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5lrMWszCR4

T-Peds incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLiSBLJlXI
 

Jasondt2001

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Read that before! Pretty cool stuff! Anybody remember here a few years ago, Tony Pedregon's incident? After the burnout in the funny car, they back up and lift the body to make adjustments for the run. The body caught the throttle linkage on the injector hat and opened it! The car jumped, bowling a crew member over but hid crew chief, Dickie Venables was standing next to the headers when it happened. The exhaust force blew his pants off! And gave him 2nd and 3rd degree burns, picking him up and throwing him like a rag doll, and he's a big guy! I had a close call with that myself! On one instance, firing up our Nova, im infront of the car to shoot alcohol into the hat to start the car, my dads foot slid when cranking it over and cracked the throttle open an 1/8 inch and it fired and instantly hit about 6-7,000 rpm and about ran over me! The clutches in Fuelers and like are centrafugaly weighted so much that once a certain RPM is reached, you can NOT physically disengage the clutch by foot till rpm falls. I can squat around 350lb and i cant do it, the pedal will outpower me and push back! Nuts!


I can add some info to this somewhat too...

T/F spark plugs have no ground strap, arc goes from the center electrode across to the edge of the body. The electrode is also resseced in there a good bit! A differant heat range is used just for warm up. These engines are solid, no cooling, just by the fuel and air moving through them. Even our P/M Blower prolly needs approx 2500HP to spin at WOT.
Fuelers have a ton of mechanical injection nozzles, both sides on the "hat", the blower case (keeps back of the rotors lubed and cool) 2 per intake runner per cyl, and 2 per cylinder under the valve cover spraying right on top of the intake valve. For our P/M ignition, We ran Mallory Ultra-Mags by Don Zig and they are 33amp iirc and frighten me the spark is so intense!

I have some T/F, T/A, P/M parts i can get some pics of af anybody wants to see some:D;)

Top fuel-fuel comsumption!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5lrMWszCR4

T-Peds incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLiSBLJlXI


That's incredible, I'd love to see some pics!!!!!
What's killing me is the amount of HP required to spin the blower... that's mind boggling, I never really thought about how much it would take - but I had NO idea it was that much!!


I got this in an email-pretty cool when you think about it!!

One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch (7.7 liter) Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500. Under full throttle, a Top Fuel dragster engine consumes 1½ gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced. A stock Dodge 426 Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster's supercharger. With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane, the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F. Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder. Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half. In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence. Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light! Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load. The red-line is actually quite high at 9500 rpm.

The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated$1,000.00 per second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).

Putting all of this into perspective:

You are riding the average $250,000 Honda MotoGP bike. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the RC211V hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph (293 ft/sec). The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your wrist cranked hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.
Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.

That folks, is acceleration.

I had to stop highlighting stuff... I watch it on TV and love it :coolspot: I had no idea how much really goes into - the mechanical side.
Just think about it - all odds are against it; it wants to hydrolock, melt itself, or weld the cylinder around it! Its' amazing it makes it down the 1/4 :cool2:


Thanks for sharing, I need to send this to my dad, he'll LOVE IT!
- Jason
 

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Way cool. Nice post dale. Unbelievable how much fuel those pumps move. Kinda makes our 160gph look a little puny, huh?? :D
 

mytmousemalibu

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Pics? No Problem;)

In Order: Heres 2 pistons, Left is a phosphate coated Top Fuel slug from Kenny Bernstien and the right is our 13:1 comp domed ARIAS Top alcohol slug! The T/F is 500ci and ours is 526ci. Next 2 shots shows the lightining holes in the underside of ours and the unmodified T/F piston. Even with that huge dome, we ran around 50psi boost, Fuelers run less, iirc.

Next is a Fuel warm-up plug from late 90's-early 200x from Jerry Tolivers F/C. This is an old one, though i had a newer strapless one:eek: That would be installed to go down track. That one would be obliterated, but notice there is no gap around the ceramic! Next is our Alky plug, very recessed very short strap, much more like a modern Fuel plug. Some teams might run plugs with ground straps. Remember seein sparks out the exhaust? Often plug bits:eek:

Next 3 shots are a standard mechanical fuel injection nozzle! Fuel in these machines are controlled mostly by return. Less return= more injected and vice versa. Fuel simple goes to distribution blocks, to lines, to the injectors where there are jets/holders and shoots out the hole right into the angled tip where it fans/atomizes the fuel, these are clocked to spray the proper direction, crud but no other means can get the amount of needed fuel in.

Next is a massive aluminum rod! This is our ARIAS rod but are for all intensive perpouses identical to a fueler rod! We just get more runs out of them! They are tanged as all rods but these also have a pin in the cap end of them. Contrary to belief, they break from strech, being pulled apart. Fuelers have more overall load on them but alky motors rev higher, faster, longer.

Next is a burst panel from a supercharger type intake manifold. There are slightly differant styles and shapes but look close and serve the same use. They allow an intake explosion to vent out VS. exploding the motor, blower, intake in the event of the intake charge lighting from some other failure. These are used with aluminum blower studs incase of a bad backfire, it will separate to prevent more damage. Thats where blower restraints come in to keep the charger from going way up in the air like the old days.

lastly, one of our special tools, a valve lash adjusting torque wrench! Just kinda neat. All the major NHRA teams are using this puppy!

I have boxes full of parts and tools left if you guys wanna see! There all top alcohol/pro-mod parts but are very very close to fuel parts if not the same!

My Background in speed:
We ran a Pro-mod Nova, 526ci ARIAS/Fontana Hemi, aprox 3000HP, pics in my garage/album. But I have grown up around this stuff, been racin since 8 and its in my blood. I know Some of the Hartley Racing Top Fueler guys. I used to work for there clutch guy, Gary Cooper, who had an A/Fuel rail himself. My Uncle owns the original U.S. Mule Fuel slingshot rail, Even worked for Patterson Racing, legendary engine builder.......This is an endless list:rofl:

Anyhow, Glad to share, love to share! Enjoy!
 

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I had to stop highlighting stuff... I watch it on TV and love it :coolspot: I had no idea how much really goes into - the mechanical side.
Just think about it - all odds are against it; it wants to hydrolock, melt itself, or weld the cylinder around it! Its' amazing it makes it down the 1/4 :cool2:


Thanks for sharing, I need to send this to my dad, he'll LOVE IT!
- Jason
If they ever come out anywhere near you, you should really go see them. I've seen them a couple of times when they came out here to the Texas Motorplex, and it is amazing so see, hear, and feel them run in real life. Get a pit pass too. You can walk around and get right next to the cars when they're doing warm up in the pits and let the nitro burn your eyes.
 

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First off, I have always been into the Nitro seen it is just amazing to me what those motors can do.

Off Topic but... Chris isn't that the Rod Pic Sillyboy used in his thread?
 

mytmousemalibu

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Haha! Well since i took thoes pics last night i doubt it but i think there might have been a con rod photo in my album on here? Im curious now to see if thats the case. Cause i went out to the shop around 12:30 last night and grabbed all that stuff!
 

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Actually, I think Sillyboy used some pics of Ben's Duramaxtuner rods that were in his photobucket album.
 

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Had this question for a long time now.... What is the fastest 1/4 mile time ever recorded by anything??
Found this on Wikipedia:

Wikipedia said:
As of July 2009, the world record for a 1/4 mile standing start pass is 4.428 seconds set by Tony Schumacher at Pomona, California
 

Jasondt2001

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If they ever come out anywhere near you, you should really go see them. I've seen them a couple of times when they came out here to the Texas Motorplex, and it is amazing so see, hear, and feel them run in real life. Get a pit pass too. You can walk around and get right next to the cars when they're doing warm up in the pits and let the nitro burn your eyes.
The closest drag strip to me is in Sacramento (about three hours) I'll have to check the website and see whats' going on so I can check them out if they run there!
I'm AMAZED by the figures, they're incredible! I'll grab a pit pass for sure, and a camera with a HUGE memory card!