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Maybe that is way I don't do links, don't know what the hell I'm doing.
That thread is getting some good response and some of the guys are starting to come out of the closet. Got the 12 valve guys in fighting a bit too.
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Maybe that is way I don't do links, don't know what the hell I'm doing.
Understand that there is a lot of peer pressure for them to stick to the party line, so I applaud those there who at least consider what Ken posted. It's not fashionable to agree that there is such a thing as too much smoke at the dragstrip, and that it certainly could restrict our sport.
Dinosaur was an interesting term to use. I wouldn't use it on the engines, but instead, the "party line". Dinosaurs are all gone now, yet they ruled the world at one point. Only those creatures who could adapt, could survive. If you can't accept change even when it means death, then dinosaur is a pretty good choice of words.
It's really a crock when they bring up other diesel motorsports, such as sled pulling, when the topic is drag racing. Not related, not even in the least bit. Diesel roadracers have to run very clean or they would not allow them to run. Each sport has it's own requirements. Drag racing can get by with more smoke than roadracing, but less than sled pulling. The limit is at least some visibility of both cars as they go down the strip, and not to foul the track.
I love the quip by the Dinosaurs, "If you can't beat them, ban them!" When you consider the source, it redefines hypocrite. These are the guys who always used rules before wrenches to get an advantage. Perhaps that's what they fear most, that others might act the same way they themselves do, that is to customize or ignore rules to get ahead. But that isn't the goal; ensuring the sport will still be around for another decade is more important than whether ShopXX wins a race or not. In 10 years, if the sport is gone, nobody is going to remember that ShopXX ever existed, it will be a Burger King by then, so think selfishly. I'm sure they're good with that.
Unrelated but the joke-of-the-week at CompD in the sledpull area is that Duramax pullers are responsible for the "stock appearing" wording added to Work Stock turbochargers. Dang, that is really some short term memory they gots. Those words were added so 12v's could be still win WS. When that didn't work, they just abolished WS in favor of 2.6, which is now turning into a trailer queen class in some areas. If you can't win, just take your ball and go home crying, don't blame the rules and try to adjust them to suit your truck.
Back to the ACTUAL topic, which is CSIDodge running 9.31 on video with a timeslip.
Seems the natives are restless. Dennis Perry is pretty much calling the guy out because he didn't back up the pass, nor was there a sanctioning body involved.
Ya know, that's a REAL fast pass in a REAL pickup best I can tell from the internet.
But it's apparently about image. Dennis has his shop 9 second Dodge on the cover of Diesel Power this month, showing it driving on the street. They even airbrushed some smoke into the picture.
So Dennis is saying CSI is misleading people, but his truck is The Truth. :rofl:
Seems the natives are restless. Dennis Perry is pretty much calling the guy out because he didn't back up the pass, nor was there a sanctioning body involved.
Ya know, that's a REAL fast pass in a REAL pickup best I can tell from the internet.
But it's apparently about image. Dennis has his shop 9 second Dodge on the cover of Diesel Power this month, showing it driving on the street. They even airbrushed some smoke into the picture.
So Dennis is saying CSI is misleading people, but his truck is The Truth. :rofl:
you know i feel the csi truck is the real deal howevr i also feel a strip or dyno pass without a backup isnt worth a crap.i think the truck is the real deal but dont agree with the way they worded thier post.also dont agree with the way some rsponded to thier post.this sport is for fun,we all need to try and remember that...
The "Truth" is, that whatever a piece of paper says or video shows, the proof of how bad-ass your truck is when you line it up against someone who thinks they are faster.
Tracks can be different. R/T and launches can be different. But who thumps who is the litmus test.
I believe the CSI numbers just exactly how much I believe other internet numbers. They are all the same in my eyes. I believe the slip, but I can't tell who is faster than who until they whup it out and measure with the 1320' yardstick. (no, eighth mile is only half a real race).
Tracks can be different. R/T and launches can be different. But who thumps who is the litmus test.
I believe the CSI numbers just exactly how much I believe other internet numbers. They are all the same in my eyes. I believe the slip, but I can't tell who is faster than who until they whup it out and measure with the 1320' yardstick. (no, eighth mile is only half a real race).
PS - We passed tech at Elmo, and are getting ready for the morning LSR run. This is coming from AutoNet using my tuning computer. Testing it for Kat, who should be here this evening.
I think the problem is the guy claimed to have set a new pro street record (or whatever class it was he named), but he was not at a sanctioned event and he did not back up the run, both of which are required to set a record. Say I went out and ran 200 MPH on the street in my pickup and got video of it. I could post the video and claim I set the first 200 MPH land speed record for a diesel pickup. The problem is I wasn't at a sanctioned event, and I didn't back the run up.
Most the records that are the most important to us are "informal" records. Quickest LB7/LLY/LBZ/LMM, quickest Fuel-Only, quickest stock charger, quickest XXX, etc, are all informal records. Sanctioning doesn't mean a whole lot to 90% of us.
If you are the Quickest ProStreet, is that NHDRA, DHRA, NADM, PDRA, etc, does that mean you were Street Legal? 6500lb, 6000, 5500, 5000, 4500? It depends on the rules and the year. A ProStreet used to be a full-frame, steel body, 3/4 ton, street legal and registered. Now it is pretty much just a full-sized truck, but tomorrow that restriction might be removed as well. Is a 2005 ProStreet ET equal to a 2009 ET? Nope, the rules today permit mods that were banned in the past.
ProStreet means just what is accepted now. 9.31 is blazing for diesel pickup. But if he races JoeBlow's ProStreet who claims 10.10's, and gets his ass handed to him, not only is not the fastest ProStreet, he's not even faster than Joe.
Put in a better perspective: Let's say Sammy runs 9.90 with his daily driver at Bandimere, and that's the only track he runs at. He probably will never be eligible for "Quickest ProStreet", even when ten guys with 9.40 timeslips in Kentucky show up at Bandimere and run 10.50's, and he whips all of them.
Who is faster? Sammy, or the Timeslip Crew? The Timeslip crew have cool paperwork, but the most important field on a timeslip is that WIN banner. Believe it not, drag racing competition existed before ET slips, and that part has never changed.
PS - No, I was not racing before timeslips existed. They were a handwritten slip with your #, WIN/LOSE/FOUL checkboxes, and something like 13.85 @ 101.08 written on the bottom. No R/T, 60's, etc.
If you are the Quickest ProStreet, is that NHDRA, DHRA, NADM, PDRA, etc, does that mean you were Street Legal? 6500lb, 6000, 5500, 5000, 4500? It depends on the rules and the year. A ProStreet used to be a full-frame, steel body, 3/4 ton, street legal and registered. Now it is pretty much just a full-sized truck, but tomorrow that restriction might be removed as well. Is a 2005 ProStreet ET equal to a 2009 ET? Nope, the rules today permit mods that were banned in the past.
ProStreet means just what is accepted now. 9.31 is blazing for diesel pickup. But if he races JoeBlow's ProStreet who claims 10.10's, and gets his ass handed to him, not only is not the fastest ProStreet, he's not even faster than Joe.
Put in a better perspective: Let's say Sammy runs 9.90 with his daily driver at Bandimere, and that's the only track he runs at. He probably will never be eligible for "Quickest ProStreet", even when ten guys with 9.40 timeslips in Kentucky show up at Bandimere and run 10.50's, and he whips all of them.
Who is faster? Sammy, or the Timeslip Crew? The Timeslip crew have cool paperwork, but the most important field on a timeslip is that WIN banner. Believe it not, drag racing competition existed before ET slips, and that part has never changed.
PS - No, I was not racing before timeslips existed. They were a handwritten slip with your #, WIN/LOSE/FOUL checkboxes, and something like 13.85 @ 101.08 written on the bottom. No R/T, 60's, etc.
God I'm not even going to tell you what we did. Wasn't stone tablets but not far off. Eisenhower was still president.
What are you trying to say?
There wasn't any xmas tree either, except at xmas and it had candles not lignts.