2015 2.8l Duramax TrailBlazer???

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Can anybody out there verify this?
I think it'd be a cool rig, I also think GM made a huge mistake giving the TB the axe when it was one of the best selling mid-sized SUV's ever made/sold. People love these things and I sure do love my TBSS!

EFI-Live tuned 2.8 D-max TB, yeah man!
http://m.autoblog.com/2011/11/10/new-chevrolet-trailblazer-revealed-in-dubai-w-video/

Just curious if there were any members here that were in the loop, had super secret GM clearance or was otherwise "in the know"

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We already have the Equinox, Traverse, and Tahoe here. What do we need ANOTHER SUV to bring down the CAFE standard for?

(answer: we dont, sorry)

There would have to be a ton of changes (on the order of millions of dollars, FOR WHAT REASON/BENEFIT?) made to the global Trailblazer to bring it over here. Why is it that NO ONE understands how different vehicles are in rest-of-world (regulations, interior features, fit/finish, NVH, safety, etc) versus domestic USA vehicles? :rolleyes:

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We already have the Equinox, Traverse, and Tahoe here. What do we need ANOTHER SUV to bring down the CAFE standard for?

(answer: we dont, sorry)

There would have to be a ton of changes (on the order of millions of dollars, FOR WHAT REASON/BENEFIT?) made to the global Trailblazer to bring it over here. Why is it that NO ONE understands how different vehicles are in rest-of-world (regulations, interior features, fit/finish, NVH, safety, etc) versus domestic USA vehicles? :rolleyes:

Ben

The equinox and traverse are going bye bye buddy, the trailblazer is reportedly coming back stateside to replace those two "lackluster" platforms...

I was strictly talking about the 2.8L Duramax power plant coming with it... It's gonna eventually show up with the all new Colorado, so I figured it should be available with the new trailblazer as well and was just curious if anyone knew fer sure.

Why do you assume by asking that question, I or anyone else, wouldn't "understand" that changes would have to be made to fit the N. American market? I mean for shits sake man, at a very minimum we have left hand drive cars dude.

Furthermore, I doubt we'd be receiving vehicles from Thailand, I'm sure they'd gear up a N. American plant for it and it wouldn't be all that difficult since the Trailblazer is based off the Colorado platform:rolleyes:
And Ben, why wouldn't they (GM AND EPA) want a low emission producing high MPG diesel here to help lower CAFE standards? Seems like good business to me with the big move in N. American markets moving toward diesel dominance.

Thanks for the (un)helpful rant tho....




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The equinox and traverse are going bye bye buddy, the trailblazer is reportedly coming back stateside to replace those two "lackluster" platforms...

I was strictly talking about the 2.8L Duramax power plant coming with it... It's gonna eventually show up with the all new Colorado, so I figured it should be available with the new trailblazer as well and was just curious if anyone knew fer sure.

Why do you assume by asking that question, I or anyone else, wouldn't "understand" that changes would have to be made to fit the N. American market? I mean for shits sake man, at a very minimum we have left hand drive cars dude.

Furthermore, I doubt we'd be receiving vehicles from Thailand, I'm sure they'd gear up a N. American plant for it and it wouldn't be all that difficult since the Trailblazer is based off the Colorado platform:rolleyes:
And Ben, why wouldn't they (GM AND EPA) want a low emission producing high MPG diesel here to help lower CAFE standards? Seems like good business to me with the big move in N. American markets moving toward diesel dominance.

Thanks for the (un)helpful rant tho....




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okay you know best.
 

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Alright, I'm not sure if you need to get laid or not
But it couldn't hurt, and if it does you're doin it wrong!

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The equinox and traverse are going bye bye buddy, the trailblazer is reportedly coming back stateside to replace those two "lackluster" platforms...

I was strictly talking about the 2.8L Duramax power plant coming with it... It's gonna eventually show up with the all new Colorado, so I figured it should be available with the new trailblazer as well and was just curious if anyone knew fer sure.

Why do you assume by asking that question, I or anyone else, wouldn't "understand" that changes would have to be made to fit the N. American market? I mean for shits sake man, at a very minimum we have left hand drive cars dude.

Furthermore, I doubt we'd be receiving vehicles from Thailand, I'm sure they'd gear up a N. American plant for it and it wouldn't be all that difficult since the Trailblazer is based off the Colorado platform:rolleyes:
And Ben, why wouldn't they (GM AND EPA) want a low emission producing high MPG diesel here to help lower CAFE standards? Seems like good business to me with the big move in N. American markets moving toward diesel dominance.

I don't follow GM vehicles much because I have no interest in buying one outside of the HD Duramax trucks, but everything I've seen on the Trailblazer has just been speculation. I don't see the traverse really going away, its aimed at a different market and that platform seems to be very popular. See more of them than anything lately it seems.

I don't think you will see a diesel trailblazer in the US for awhile, for one they have to bring the trailblazer here to begin with and they are already taking big risks with the Colorado and its diesel option. They will see how that plays out first. VW is watching close to see how it pans out, if theres a market they are bringing their truck over as well. Most likely with a diesel as VW Group is committed to diesels in the US (over half of the Audi line is offered in diesel in the US now, with more to follow).

The issue with diesel in everything else is the consumer. You still have to convince them to buy a more expensive engine that uses more expensive fuel and carries a negative image still burned into peoples minds of being slow, dirty, expensive and noisy. American's are also obsessed with numbers, they read the magazines which have led them to believe HP and 1/4 mile times are everything. Diesels look terrible at both. The issue is that this does not represent real world driving where diesels do actually shine. Torque at very low RPM is very useful in daily driving and makes the drive very nice. People get obsessed with HP and 1/4 times but you only achieve those with your foot to the floor at the tach buried. Real world driving you want torque. Thats why I love driving my TDI's, touch the pedal and they go. You can even race all the ricers and not sound like a complete tard in the process because its all done under 3k where their V-Tech doesn't start making power until 5k. The issue though is convincing the public, salesman will probably ruin a lot of it in the process too so it will be a long road. I really don't see diesel taking over, by the time you would get mainstream acceptance by the public, some alternative energy will be taking over just as much of the market. The only thing thats probably a sure bet is that gas engines days are numbered if anything.

Everybody plays the fuel economy card to justify the diesel option. With a 50 cent difference for diesel though it takes a lot of efficiency to just break even let alone the increased upfront cost and increase maintenance costs (mostly fuel filters). Efficiency when towing isn't going to cut it, people aren't buying a Colorado to tow everyday. The performance of the 2.8 will be so/so if it keeps the current 180hp/325lb-ft with torque peaking at 2k. For comparisons sake, the Audi Q5 weighs the same as a new crew cab short bed colorado (4400lbs) yet has a 3.0L diesel with 240hp/428lb-ft with the torque peaking at 1750RPM. Obviously people in an Audi want a bit more performance, but thats the kind of motor it takes to make peoples minds change. I was just reading an article about it and was surprised by how much praise the guy actually had for it. If the Colorado keeps the 2.8's numbers I'm just afraid not many will want it because it wont be fast enough. My wife's Jetta has higher numbers than that.





The reason Ben assumes that is because so many people speculate that since country "A" has it then we can get it in the US without much work. There's a reason things are designed differently for different markets. There is a lot of stuff behind the scenes people don't realize as well. You should see the amount of random metal VW put in the dash of my wife's Jetta so that it would perform better in the US crash tests. It tests fine in Europe, but US test methods are different so they packed all of that in there. I removed it all when I put the European model glove box in. I figured if its safe enough over there its safe enough for me. They also have to meet market demands as well, options we want are not what others necessarily want. Plus they have to meet a price point thats competitive. I'm not saying GM is smart and has thought things out, just saying that bringing other models into the US is not easy.


Not sure what you mean by your left hand cars statement.


I wouldn't be surprised if they kept engine production in Thailand. Hopefully the new generations of those engines are good. Used to be VM Motori designs for the most part but supposedly are completely different now. As for the vehicle, I think a large part of why the Colorado is made is Missouri is due to how different it is from the global version. Probably would've had to retool a plant somewhere else might as well do it here since its not getting shipped anywhere outside of here and being made in USA is good PR.

As for the CAFE standards, diesels aren't as efficient as you think and they usually do terrible in EPA tests. There are not many to judge, but if you go off the TDI Jetta you can see how the EPA relates to real world. Just go on Fuelly. Combined EPA for 2013 Jetta 2.5 is 26mpg, Fuelly shows the average reported is 25mpg. 2.0 is 28mpg, Fuelly shows 28mpg as average reported. TDI is 34mpg, Fuelly shows 38.6mpg as average. The TDI is rated higher and helps the CAFE standard yes, but remember the CAFE cares about the estimates not the real world. The consumer also cares about the estimates. Many do research but a lot just look at the numbers, and 6mpg better on paper is decent but you pay 3k+ more for a TDI and pay 50 cents more per gallon, plus the costs of fuel filter service and in the end the reason TDI's pan out financially is their insane resale and the fact real world MPGs are 10mpg better in this case.

I'm hoping the Ram Eco diesel does better than they list because running the numbers on that its actually going to cost more per mile just in fuel than the gas options.


I don't see NA being diesel dominated any time soon if ever. Diesel's are neat, but remember this is an enthusiasts board, don't let it skew your sense of reality.
 

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Thank you for the well rounded and thought out response!

I agree with pretty much everything you've said, however I don't think Americans still look at diesels as slow and stinky, times and technology have changed and so has the ideas most of the newer generations have on vehicles. With the Hybrid markets falling off much in part to people actually waking up to the fact that they're not all that environmentally freindly, ugly, slow and for a lack of a better comparison, plain piles o crap, diesels are becoming more sought after because they actually perform, get good MPG and on a whole are fairly Eco freindly. So it seems reasonable that GM might take the plunge. Jeep has and is doing pretty well with the diesel powered cherokee.

Half of the time, CAFE ratings are bull, people have to look farther than EPA BS to make a reasonable and well rounded decision now days as the ratings and standards can be bought, hedged, or not even be available, look at a new window sticker for a Duramax powered crew cab- you'll find nothing in regard to EPA or CAFE info, and they use the coo out that it's "heavy duty" when it's been around for 15 years and the data available is substantial

Proof in point
As a previous MK6 TDi owner I achieved a much higher mpg than the 28-36 ratings stated. 40-42 was pretty common on the HWY AND 32-36 was easily achievable in the city. The rated mpg's were way off by like 20% so not only was the emissions footprint sqewed so was the cost analysis, then once I did a few mods and had it tuned if I really tried I could breech 50mpg easily!!! Go figure. And that's living in an area with constantly changing elevations and putting power through the DSG auto trans. Now the ratings are off by nearly 40% on that particular car.
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The little 2.0tdi made 140hp/210tq and when I was done made closer to 190/300. You said your wife's Jetta makes comparable numbers to the 2.8 D-max? You're talking about the 2.0tdi, right?
I think GM is sandbaggin the numbers a bit and have the little engine tuned way down and can only hope in the future they turn up the wick a bit.

I wish we could get something like what Audi offers in it's line up, the Audi 3.0 diesels are beastly and can be made to be down right feared with the proper mods.

My left hand drive comment was made based on the fact that vehicles in most other countries (if not all?) outside of N.America are right hand drive, so immediately there's a change to make for the N.A market. While I do realize the crash test standards are higher in N. America, I believe that other countries are placing more emphasis on creating and having safer cars on their roads as well and getting a GM product to pass here in the states vs passing in say, Australia or Thailand wouldn't be as complicated or as involved as getting a VW to pass from euro spec to US standards
Even though we might still get an engine built in Thailand, the chassis would be made in the good ol USofA for simplicity and as you mentioned PR, so i personally don't see crash test data holding back the platform, like you said, it'll be the market and overall demand.

I agree, it'll probably be a long road that could lead to a dead end, but one can hope can't he? Lol. Yes you're right, diesels aren't "dominating" in the American market but Americans are buying everything that's made and everything that's available and waiting list are pretty common for getting a diesel powered...anything, the prospective market has been pretty under calculated causing a wait for production to keep up across almost every platform, I waited more than 7mo for my TDi to get here, put a down payment and ordered a 2010 and got a 2011 model lol. Look into it, people are waiting for the new jeep cherokee diesel package too. Sales of diesel powered vehicles is up 60% from just 5 years ago, that's huge!

I think that allot could be cut from maintenance costs too, VW had a pretty good set up, on my TDi filters were only $6-10 bucks and slid into a stationary filter housing, OCI's were stated at 10k even though I changed it every 5k I changed the fuel filter every 10k when it was suggested at 20k and I did the DSG service at 20k when it was suggested at 40k. I've always been of the mindset "Vehicles love ya back" lol but I know what you're saying and for the most part peoe on a whole destroy their cars with poor maintenance cuz it's either not convienent or too expensive, and hey "it runs"

I agree that Americans are power hungry, v-8 luvin fools, but the current trends are backing down from that trend for family rigs and daily drivers. While I don't think America will ever abandon it's love for muscle, Americans are finding it in diesels, torque rules when it comes time to get a vehicle moving or overtaking/passing a slower moving vehicle, and the ease of how a modern turbo diesel can do just that is starting to become more known, and it's appealing to allot of varieties of people, men and women young and old alike.

But all that said, yes I'm a diesel geek with a skewed perspective and just wanna see more diesel options for our market, even though I do believe they're better for numbers of reasons they are not with out their own set of trade offs and faults.
 

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Somebody has to invest to get the diesel market going, Audi and VW have done a good job and now GM has a player as well. Even though a lot of people can't afford a current Audi TDI (Which all start above 50k), it puts diesel in the spotlight. People read magazines to see cool euro cars, american muscle and exotic sportscars, not daily drivers. If they see Audi putting a TDI in a 90k car and then see it can go 900 miles on a tank, more might give them a second look. There's still enough people who are happy with what they have and ask why? Just fueling up alone is enough to scare people away. Many diesel owners do not live in major cities and forget how hard diesel can be to come by sometimes. Sure its not impossible, but it requires thinking and responsibility, things modern Americans do not want.

My wife's is a 2.0TDI , I have not dynoed it but the similar cars Malone has dynoed were 180hp/330ft-lb.


Not to sound rude but have you been outside of the US much? Most countries use left hand drive vehicles, only Britain, Austrailia, Southern Africa, and southern Asia use right hand drive.

Heres a Map that shows you.

right-hand-drive-countries-map.jpg



TDI fuel filters are not much to you or myself, but they are still $10 that has to be done every 10k or so versus a gas car which doesn't have that maintenance. I'd hate to see what they dealer charges to do it. Its really the only maintenance item thats higher.
 

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Holy chit! Lol.
No I'm not all that "worldly" I had no idea that right hand drive was the dominant platform, but I'm not so sure that map is accurate? I thought Spain, France and Portugal all drove on the "wrong" side of the road? I thought they did in Holland, Greenland and Iceland as well?
I just thought that left hand drive was more prevelant than it is I guess...

Yeah, Malone stg2 tuning with a full Rawtek exhaust and low pressure egr delete will produce 190/330, that's what I had on the TDi, but in stock trim the puny 140hp at the crank is a far cry from Malones dyno numbers, and I can say first hand the difference is substantial and significant! I really liked that little car and that power plant, changed the minds/mindset of many people I know as well.

FWIW, VW wants $64 for a fuel filter change on a 2.0TDi, lol which is real stealership action right there for a $10 filter and a 10min job... Firty Duckers

You're right again on all counts man, owning a diesel takes more thought and responsibility on all counts, more awareness and more involvement than a gasser on just about every level, it's one of the bains to owning an "oil burner"

And yeah, there would need to be some substantial investment to the program to make it happen @ GM, we can only hope the group of bean counters that run the show deem it a worthy endeavor, although if they don't I really think they'd be missing the boat so to speak and letting other manufacturers reap the benifit of the diesel offerings and corner an infant market, making it all that much more difficult for GM to get a foot in the door later on when the public at large has grown comfortable with an existing platform