Alright. Thank you for keeping it real. Are there any weak or problem areas of the LBZ/LLY trucks that I should be aware of?
LLY: 2006 LLY Advice
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I meant as are there any factory problems. I've seen something about hoses rubbing but I'm not sure if that's on my year.
Leaking transmission lines is about the only common LBZ issue. Again just forget the LLY, with tuning the one thing that made it an "LLY" is gone and you have a tuned LBZ; there are dozens of real LLY (04.5-05) parts that will not work on your truck and calling your truck an LLY could cause someone to sell you one. I've had a 2006 "LLY" customer buy a replacement long block from Blackwater, give them the VIN and get shipped a real LLY that wouldn't work in his 2006 truck. Calling your truck an LBZ avoids any of that.
I know. With it being stock that's why I called it a LLY. Soon it won't be. Now I've been looking at the MOOG tie rods and a set of sleeves and they cost more that the rare parts G2 tie rods. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to just get the HD tie rods then?
Here is what I am finding. This is if your tie rods are even worn out and in need of replacement. All of the wear items would have a lifetime warranty from MOOG.
MOOG ES3488: $30.89 each x 2 = $61.78
MOOG ES3609: $46.99 each x 2 = $93.98
Rough Counrty Tie Rod Sleeves = $34.95
Total for all new tie rods with sleeves = $190.71
Rare Parts G2s = $275 can't find anything about a lifetime warranty.
MOOG ES3488: $30.89 each x 2 = $61.78
MOOG ES3609: $46.99 each x 2 = $93.98
Rough Counrty Tie Rod Sleeves = $34.95
Total for all new tie rods with sleeves = $190.71
Rare Parts G2s = $275 can't find anything about a lifetime warranty.
Dunno bout the g2's but mine have a lifetime warranty
Not to mention I feel like Moog quality has gone downhill, my idler and pitman didn't last worth a shit on a stock height suspension truck. I maybe got 20k out of them and that was before adding power to the truck.
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I'm fairly certain that using stock centerlink actually flex under heavy boost in 4wd especially with large tires. One of the reason I went with Kryptonite. Another reason is that stock tie rod ends will wear out faster. Kryptonite uses Moog tie rod ends but they are 20% larger so it is meant to handle large tires. Factory stuff doesn't do crap when it comes to beating on it while off roading. Kryptonite has a 100% lifetime warranty, not limited, they don't care what you did to break it, it is still covered no matter what.
As for the steering box, it's not that bad of an install. I also used Royal Purple Max Ez power steering fluid because of the fluid properties is designed to handle high heat and has thicker viscosity for a better steering feedback. Another thing I would do is get a power steering cooler. GM has one that will directly bolt on but the hose will have to be slightly modified to make it fit. I will be doing that next, my fluid was burnt black, only 40k miles since the last flush. Clear indication that the fluid is too hot for hot climate (moved from AZ to my current location), and larger tires generate more work which means more heat.
As for the steering box, it's not that bad of an install. I also used Royal Purple Max Ez power steering fluid because of the fluid properties is designed to handle high heat and has thicker viscosity for a better steering feedback. Another thing I would do is get a power steering cooler. GM has one that will directly bolt on but the hose will have to be slightly modified to make it fit. I will be doing that next, my fluid was burnt black, only 40k miles since the last flush. Clear indication that the fluid is too hot for hot climate (moved from AZ to my current location), and larger tires generate more work which means more heat.
I am leaning towards the MOOGS with sleeves. Price send really good. And maybe a different centerlink. After talking to a few guys I think I don't need to replace everything. The G2s are nice to though and so are the kryptonites. I think I'll look into the steering box more if mine starts to go out. Thanks for the information though, it is really helpful.
So therefore I need to find one that is stronger than stock but doesn't alter my turning radius. Time to start googling.......
Not really. The straight links cause you to loose your Ackerman steering, reducing turn radius.
Personally unless you plan on boosted 4x4 launches I would do sleeves or rare parts tie rods and maybe some cognito braces and your good to go.
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I aswell have a 2006 "LLY" like stated above its an Lbz. I have built transmission tuning with supporting mods and have been hard and I mean hard on it with these mods for 60k+ Miles. Tons of runs on the strip and countless street encounters. And just recently at 215k miles cracked a piston. These motors are ridiculously strong if you have reputable tuning and more common sense than I have it will last a very long time. Enjoy your LBZ man!!:thumb:
So many choices.... You all are awesome. So with my lift I can't use the dhd brace. And the kryptonite parts will alter my turning radius. So it seems like the best way for me to go is replacement tire rods and brace up the idler and pitman. Not sure if it's worth going with g2s but I'll keep looking.
The Kryptonite full setup is as good as you can get for keeping most of your steering. Look at the picture below and you will notice that the tie rods bolt into the side of the link that helps keep the Ackerman steering for the most part.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/1403_2007_chevy_silverado_2500hd_attention_to_detail/photo_07.html
This is the straight center link, notice the angle that the tie rod is already at with the wheels straight. The offset of the kryptonite setup helps mimic the factory bend in the center link.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/1012dp_12_second_daily_driven_2009_duramax/photo_07.html
Clear as mud?
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/1403_2007_chevy_silverado_2500hd_attention_to_detail/photo_07.html
This is the straight center link, notice the angle that the tie rod is already at with the wheels straight. The offset of the kryptonite setup helps mimic the factory bend in the center link.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/1012dp_12_second_daily_driven_2009_duramax/photo_07.html
Clear as mud?
If you said you were going to wheel the heck out of it, rock climb, sled pull, drag race every weekend, etc. I would be recommending a centerlink of some sort. But for what you have said you are going to do a set of Cognito braces and a set of tie rod sleeves should be absolutely fine for you.
Maybe this only applies to their warranty for parts that are not exclusive to them, but keeping packaging forever seems ridiculous to me. Then having to ship back the failed part and wait for the replacement, and pay shipping both ways. It's easier to have a local store match rockauto on MOOGs then if they ever need replaced you pull them, walk in and swap them out for new, and reinstall them all during your lunch break.
Maybe this only applies to their warranty for parts that are not exclusive to them, but keeping packaging forever seems ridiculous to me. Then having to ship back the failed part and wait for the replacement, and pay shipping both ways. It's easier to have a local store match rockauto on MOOGs then if they ever need replaced you pull them, walk in and swap them out for new, and reinstall them all during your lunch break.
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