01 LB7 to LLY swap Vid

GMC_2002_Dmax

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Im not going to spend the money on something that only works with an ECM that was put out to pasture 8 years ago. :p:

this was a one-time thing, tuning juddski's truck. I highly doubt Im ever going to come across such a rare setup ever again. And if I do, and Juddski's base tune that I made for his truck doesnt work, ill just send them to you. :)

Not worth my time/aggravation for such an oddball/unique/rare setup.

plus, everyone is moving to LBZ stuff anyways.

I have two............;)............and LB7's are the best ecm's for tuning and then closely behind are the LBZ's.

The LLY's are OK...........the LMM's plain suck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

duratothemax

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I have two............;)............and LB7's are the best ecm's for tuning and then closely behind are the LBZ's.

The LLY's are OK...........the LMM's plain suck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LLY and LB7 are basically the same. Once you get around the LLY ECM idiosyncrasies and funky defuel characteristics (which everyone told me didnt exist years ago, and that I was an idiot), they are just as easy to tune as LB7's....in my opinion. Maybe thats just cause I have one, so its the ECM I have the most experience with?? I dunno.

LBZ's are..meh. A little annoying because everything is referenced in torque, so theres one more hoop you have to jump through to get a final pulsewidth. Whereas LB7/LLY its simply....TBIQ ---> main pulse width. With LBZ its pedal pos to des torque ---> torque based fuel ---> main pulse width

LMM's are very weird sometimes, I agree. Especially the 09+ LMM's. Its very hard to get consistent/predictable fueling and defueling with the later LMM OS's. Everyone whines and says its stabilitrak/traction-control on the 09+ LMM's. Its not. Because ive tuned 09-10 duallys and long bed trucks (no stabilitrak or traction control) and they act the exact same way.

LMM's jump around on the timing tables with little to no predictability/rhyme/reason also.
 

07keo02

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There's more to it then that, unless the truck is 03 and newer. 03 and newer, you can keep the VNT also.

Yeah its an 03, i was just wondering if it would be easier to tune by using the lly ecm and ficm but still keep the lb7 turbo (instead of retaining lb7 ecm and ficm). I think i will just swap in a complete lbz instead. Im hoping the newer dampened pedal with cure my annoyingly overactive throttle in my lb7/zf6. It gets alot of throttle induced feedback over bumps at low speed.
 

07keo02

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Yeah I've read all that I could find and understand the swap. I try to do alot of research, just didn't know if it would be easy to do an lly swap and keep the lb7 turbo, the extent of my tuning knowledge is flashing in a tune. I have spoke to you on the phone about the LBZ swap with my zf6 and intend to get with you when the lb7 injectors go bad. Fortunately I wouldn't have to buy a 6 speed allison as well so it would be worth the money to just go LBZ. Do you know if the cluster would be required since I won't have the column shifter?
 

duratothemax

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Yeah I've read all that I could find and understand the swap. I try to do alot of research, just didn't know if it would be easy to do an lly swap and keep the lb7 turbo, the extent of my tuning knowledge is flashing in a tune. I have spoke to you on the phone about the LBZ swap with my zf6 and intend to get with you when the lb7 injectors go bad. Fortunately I wouldn't have to buy a 6 speed allison as well so it would be worth the money to just go LBZ. Do you know if the cluster would be required since I won't have the column shifter?

your 03 cluster will work just fine with the LBZ ECM.
 

duratothemax

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x2. It took me forever to tune Juddski's truck with the big LLY injectors, running off an LB7 FICM and ECM.

Just getting it to start and idle would have been enough to probably discourage 95% of the people from doing this swap. Maybe it was the big injectors, I dont know. But it was a PITA to tune. Idle problems, random sputtering and missing at some loads/RPM's, dead RPM area around 2,100rpm that the engine would die for a second before picking up again, etc etc etc.

Once I got it figured out it was fine....but if I had to do it all over again, Id probably just use an LLY ECM and set it up as standalone, with an LLY FICM.

Who knows, the LLY ECM might even communicate properly with an 01-02 cluster?????? We all know that an 01-02 TCM will communicate properly with an 03-06 BCM and instrument cluster, so Id bet my lunch money you could wire in an LLY ECM to the Class 2 bus on an 01-02 truck and the instrument cluster would still work properly and display coolant temp, trans temp, and fuel level correctly. (the only class 2 info that 01-02 clusters use, the oil pressure and everything else on the 01-02 clusters is with discrete "old school" signals)

So Russ. I bet you wouldnt even need a hybrid setup with two ECM's and stuff. Remove the LB7 ECM alltogether...and try hooking up the Class 2 data wire from an LLY ECM into the Class 2 data wire(s) on an 01-02 truck.......the worst that will happen is it just wont communicate properly. Its not like its gonna fry anything, that Ill guarantee.

Class 2 is Class 2. J1850 VPW. Its the same databus specification/language on the 01-02 trucks as the 03-06 trucks. Its just used much more widespread and 3x the amount of body modules communicate on the common bus in the 03+ trucks.

ben

I was right. :)
 

juddski88

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ben, those that have tried the LLY ficm with LB7 ecm couldnt get the truck started. is it maybe a slight processing difference between the two? maybe not class 2 or CAN related?
 

duratothemax

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See, I went out and bought an 01-02 cluster just to test this for you 01-02 guys who want other options regarding an LLY swap. And everyone says im such an ass. :)


and fwiw, the LBZ ECM is all class 2 as well for body/IPC comms. So theres no reason an LBZ ECM wouldnt work fine in an 01-02 truck too....................
 

rgullett83

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So ditch the lb7 ecm, use an lly ecm, shut off applicable codes, and then tuning should be a breeze

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dmax_ty

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Great job on the swap Russ! :thumb:

Ben, how would one get the oil-pressure to read at all/accurately?
 

RPM Motorsports

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Great job on the swap Russ! :thumb:

Ben, how would one get the oil-pressure to read at all/accurately?

Thanks! The newest swap on the list will be here at the end of the week, it's a 2000 Hummer H1 getting an LBZ. We did a 98 already, but it was an off road project, not a DD. This customer needs all interior functions, and push button 4x instead of Man.
 

96superflow

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Did you ever get it confirmed that the LLY FICM and the LLY ECU (or even like duratothemax theorized with the LBZ ECU) working correctly into the LB7 01-02 truck or did you do like you previously said and tune LB7 ECU to control the LLY injectors?

What you previously stated about the tuning is was is still holding me back from doing the LLY swap. My tahoe is begging for a duramax, and the LB7 would go in easily but since I am having to do it from scratch, I want to have this thing on the road long enough afterward not to have to worry about any injectors going out on it... That and finding a lower mileage LB7 in an 01-02 truck is getting more and more difficult...