LBZ: Weird glow plug issue

Leadfoot

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My buddy who is a mechanic stated a year or two ago he was seeing alot of Duramax's coming in with rotted fuel/brake lines and glow plugs that are stuck in the head (some breaking off). The liquid ice melter they are using out here is NASTY!

That being said, I had a glowplug failure the first day I owned the truck and all 8 were replaced under warrantly (luckily did not have the tip fall into the head like the gentleman's truck next to me)

Last year I asked the tech if he used anti-seize when installing the new glowplugs and he said no. I then sent the truck in to have all 8 glowplugs removed and reinstalled with a healthy dose of anti-sieze. When I went to pick up the truck they stated one was tough coming out and sounded like the threads were galled when it was pulled out. They replaced that one glowplug and put the rest back in.

Fast forward to this year. Check engine light came on a couple weeks ago, checked for code (number 3 glowplug failed). I bought a full set and decided to replace all 8. Passenger's side (where 3 was) was a piece of cake. Driver's side was a little tighter (especially by the steering shaft), and all but one unthreaded by hand once loosened. Number 6 was a PITA to turn and sounded horrible coming out (the screaching sound it made as I unscrewed it). Even after it was unthreaded I had to use a pair of vice grips to PULL and TWIST it out.

I noticed all the bodies of the other 7 were CLEAN and you could read the part number, voltage, etc etched on the GP body, but the one that was tough to get out was "cruddy/rusty". I was able to thread one of the old ones in with some resistance to that bore (and noticed it deposited debris on the body of the GP).

Somehow it looked as if debris and/or corrosion occured in the bore and locked the GP in place. I mic'd the dimensions of the body, the threads, etc and was able to grab some drill bits that were just shy of the ID of the threads in the head. As expected the drill bit fell into the good holes but not the one that was "bad". I put some grease on the bit and threaded into the "bad" hole by hand. To my amazement there was a ton dirt that came out (kinda like cleaning an open threaded hole on an engine block thats been collecting grime over the years). Any idea where the grime would come from? And any idea why one would be that way and not the rest?

I used a shop vac and a homemade suction tube to clean out the bore and clean the threads. I put a light coat of antisieze on the body and threads (not tip) and was able to thread it in by hand (luckily it didn't ruin the threads in the head). Cleared the stored code and started truck with no issues or lights.

Anybody else run into this.

Also I'm ASSuming the GP seals to the cylinder at the end of the body, and I was thinking it might not have sealed, but if that was the case I would have expected to see signs of combustion (black soot) but that did not seem to be the case (as it looked more like dirt/corrosion/rust).
 

Noreaster

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My buddy who is a mechanic stated a year or two ago he was seeing alot of Duramax's coming in with rotted fuel/brake lines and glow plugs that are stuck in the head (some breaking off). The liquid ice melter they are using out here is NASTY!

Last year,
Blew the 2 main lines back to the ABS module & the LF from module, all in the same spot just before the cab

#2,4&6 glowplugs busted off in the head, #8 came right out
 

arneson

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I've had a few GP go bad but never looked to be dirty or rotted. Threads were all easy and have had no problems. My problem is the frame every other year. I live in wisconsin and see plenty of salt. More then the roads actually need. Wish it was sand only. But I have cleaned my frame up and u would never know it was here. No rust anywhere that I can see. Hope your problem stays away.
 

Leadfoot

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Last year,
Blew the 2 main lines back to the ABS module & the LF from module, all in the same spot just before the cab

#2,4&6 glowplugs busted off in the head, #8 came right out

Did you get #2, 4 & 6 out? If so, was it just the threads holding them?

My buddy said if they break off he's had good luck drilling the GP and the first few threads out (seems to be where it corrodes and "locks") then easy-outting the remainder.

Also did you replace the brake lines yourself or did you have someone do it? Reason I ask is if you did it yourself, where'd you get the lines and how'd you bleed it (I was told you need a Tech II)? Thanks
 

Noreaster

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Did you get #2, 4 & 6 out? If so, was it just the threads holding them?

My buddy said if they break off he's had good luck drilling the GP and the first few threads out (seems to be where it corrodes and "locks") then easy-outting the remainder.

Also did you replace the brake lines yourself or did you have someone do it? Reason I ask is if you did it yourself, where'd you get the lines and how'd you bleed it (I was told you need a Tech II)? Thanks

nope, still sitting in the head

after busting quite a few bits I gave up, the core of the GP can move out of the way, the bit catches & snap. Ive heard welding a washer then a nut on it works good. the heat soak from welding tends to free up the threads

I had somebody do the 3 I popped in NJ, I did the rear line & RF this year
I used a soft coil of the teflon coated line any part store should have
A Solus was used last year to auto bleed when the main lines popped, I don't think you need it to do the fronts or rear as long as you keep the reservoir full. Ive heard of stainless brake line but never seen it, if it comes in a coil thats the way to go. Screw the hard line with connectors between every piece
 

Leadfoot

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nope, still sitting in the head

after busting quite a few bits I gave up, the core of the GP can move out of the way, the bit catches & snap. Ive heard welding a washer then a nut on it works good. the heat soak from welding tends to free up the threads

I had somebody do the 3 I popped in NJ, I did the rear line & RF this year
I used a soft coil of the teflon coated line any part store should have
A Solus was used last year to auto bleed when the main lines popped, I don't think you need it to do the fronts or rear as long as you keep the reservoir full. Ive heard of stainless brake line but never seen it, if it comes in a coil thats the way to go. Screw the hard line with connectors between every piece


Sad part is, because of the tree huggers and environmental concerns, we have exhausts that are made out of stainless steel from the factory (want to make sure they get their money), yet a critical safety component (such as brake lines) are still made with steel that rusts out in less than 10 years in salty environments...WTF. I hope when my brake line fails and I can't stop, I hit some tree huggin' SOB in a smart car......then the fuel line that's half rotten fails and (even though diesel does not combust in the open well) the smart car is engulfed in flames....

I spent roughly $300 converting my 1980 to ALL stainless lines, best move I ever made! I haven't had to touch a line in years (granted I don't use it in the winter anymore, but when I did there was no issue with the salt).

*disclaimer* I do not wish harm on anyone, it's just a rant :hello:


Edit: Inline Tube is who I used and I guess Classic Tube is also good. Inline is starting to carry lines for our trucks even though they are not listed on the site.
 

Noreaster

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I blew the 3 lines last year crossing the 1/4 mile mark at Atco @ 108mph

I wish I had looked into the stainless lines & fittings, Ill do it on the next truck or when I have the body off the frame on this one
 

juddski88

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Ive bought 2 sets of IT's lines, one set SS and one set regular steel. both are worth the money....I put the SS ones on the plow truck:spit:...should've gone SS for both trucks. they do list them on the site though.

Sad part is, because of the tree huggers and environmental concerns, we have exhausts that are made out of stainless steel from the factory (want to make sure they get their money), yet a critical safety component (such as brake lines) are still made with steel that rusts out in less than 10 years in salty environments...WTF. I hope when my brake line fails and I can't stop, I hit some tree huggin' SOB in a smart car......then the fuel line that's half rotten fails and (even though diesel does not combust in the open well) the smart car is engulfed in flames....

I spent roughly $300 converting my 1980 to ALL stainless lines, best move I ever made! I haven't had to touch a line in years (granted I don't use it in the winter anymore, but when I did there was no issue with the salt).

*disclaimer* I do not wish harm on anyone, it's just a rant :hello:


Edit: Inline Tube is who I used and I guess Classic Tube is also good. Inline is starting to carry lines for our trucks even though they are not listed on the site.
 

Leadfoot

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Dec 27, 2006
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Ive bought 2 sets of IT's lines, one set SS and one set regular steel. both are worth the money....I put the SS ones on the plow truck:spit:...should've gone SS for both trucks. they do list them on the site though.

Yeah I just noticed that. I called last year and they said they had some (ext cab I think) and they were going to add more. Good to see someone is doing it. :thumb: